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Ricardo
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Joined: Dec. 14 2004
From: Washington DC
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RE: Hnos Sanchiz lopez (in reply to gitano1974)
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I swear we talked about this recently with someone here, but I can't find it. My feelings about this particular instrument are exactly the same as yours. The negra is bass heavy. Their blanca is more balanced. I have the maple guitar, and it is in between, a bit bassy but still bright. My student has the "bulerias" model which is also a bit brighter, as it is Bolivian rosewood, not the indian rosewood. In general I find this is typical of negra guitars, having not the same clearity and brightness in the trebles as the blancas. I find an exception to be the Conde negra af25. Several I have played and they have very clear trebles, not like a classical at all, and no boomy bass. I don't understand the secret because I don't believe to those guitars to be manufactured by the same hands. It could simply be the bracing design, I don't really know, but it is noticeable to me right away. I prefer blancas, but accept the sound of the conde negra easily. But anyway it is not you or the specific guitar, that is typical with that make and model by hermanos sanchis lopez. Ricardo PS, try some different strings on it right away. Try Luthier 20's. Makes a difference.
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Date Jun. 12 2006 16:58:59
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Ramón
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From: La Jolla, Ca
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RE: Hnos Sanchiz lopez (in reply to gitano1974)
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I have a negra that suffered a bit of the same, until I saw a guitar that Yuris Zeltsin had 'tuned'. If your action is too low, I do not recommend a shim. Get a new piece of bone or ivory, BUT RAISE THE TREBLE SIDE HIGHER THAN THE BASES. Usually, it's higher on the base, lowering across the strings to the High E, but reverse that, and you might be surprised. The lower the action (sometimes) the less volume, but you can bring up the trebles by raising the action higher than the bases, but they are easier to 'push' than bases, so the playing difference is slight. It should bring the trebles up quite a bit. I would also suggest D'Addario Normal Tension Composites (no, I have no connection and am not selling them. Antonio Moya of Spain turned me onto them). They have added tremendously to many of my guitars. I tried Hard Tension the other day, replacing string by string. Bases were good, trebles WENT DOWN in volume. It IS case by case with each guitar, but for $20 it's worth finding out - Negra or Blanca. My Negra is now quite even and punchy, and it has a spruce top! (You can kind of see in the pic the treble side is higher) Ramon
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Date Jun. 12 2006 17:33:30
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hhmusic
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Joined: May 13 2006
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RE: Hnos Sanchiz lopez (in reply to Ramón)
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-- Get a new piece of bone or ivory, BUT RAISE THE TREBLE SIDE HIGHER THAN THE BASSES. Usually, it's higher on the bass, lowering across the strings to the High E, but reverse that, and you might be surprised. -- I highly recommend this as well, or at least having bass and treble the same height. Besides the fact that it might it bring more volume to the trebles, there is a more important benefit: Bass strings, with their higher mass, can tolerate being closer to the frets. They'll buzz, but the frets won't kill the string vibration. However, if the action is too low on the trebles, they'll often 'splat' and die on the frets. I've played several very expensive guitars that had this problem, and regularly see some top notch (usually American) luthiers still setting up flamencos with lowered versions of classical saddles, tapering downward to the treble side. Conversely, most Spanish flamenco builders either make the saddle flat or very slightly higher on the treble side. In my experience, the correct set up for flamenco really is flat or higher on the treble. You'll get easier action and 'good' buzz on the basses, and clarity, volume and 'ching' on the trebles. Try it - it's worth giving it a shot to see if you agree. (I'll submit a picture in a later post.)
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Date Jun. 14 2006 20:19:35
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RE: Hnos Sanchiz lopez (in reply to gitano1974)
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Just my thoughts. A good negra should have deep and strong basses, but should NOT be bass heavy. Actually I often find that the trebles in my own negras are brighter and more brilliant, but the strength of the basses may make them sound deeper overall. Some people try to build the strong bass "out". In order to make the guitar sound more blanca. That´s so stupid IMHO, because you´d be better of with a guitar build with cypress. One of the most important things in building is to go with your materials and not against. I like my peghead blancas to be very shortsustained and bright, my negras to have some body, treble clarity and harmonics and my blancas with machine heads to be a bit more melodic than the pegheads. Then there´s something for everyone
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Date Jun. 15 2006 7:43:12
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