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RE: Mariano Conde
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Manitas de Lata
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RE: Mariano Conde (in reply to elias)
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well , i dont have any kind of relation with them , just a viewer of their content, that normally i enjoy. The pandoras box that they openned was a surprise , a surprise because it came from a company (solera ) and not from a youtuber or a random guy that tries guitars and compare them and also likes to talk about makers and gives insiders view to warn , advice and teach the average joe consumer (me). By the way i didnt research about this stuff on youtube (guitarreros , tallers that outsource their guitars etc) , is there anyone doing this? compare flamenco/classic guitars and talks openly about this and give insider view? maybe not (?) and thats also really strange that no one talks about it .. One issue is , why and or why now? is the information given to the public by Solera had good intention or it was only released for some kind of vendeta? If you see the video that i posted on Felipe Conde topic , Solera released a video promoting their new cheap laminated Marcelo Barbero model that costs almost 900 eu and making a comparation with a Felipe Conde Oro model that costs 10k... lmfao , and talkin about the quality of woods , good laminated models vs small unknowed guitarreros massive wood ones or vs supose guitarreros that might outsource , by the way in the video they consider Esteve to be the best "taller" with a production line. If you ear both , theres not a big difference in sound if theres one .. he was smart and choose two "modern" flamenco guitars and... choose that less good(?) Conde for a reason , theres a lot of really good expensive and cheaper guitars that have way way better sound than both , traditional or modern ones.. if you ear some Alberto Pantoja (sevilha) or Abraham Ortega (sevilha) or other similiar guitarrero (theres dozens good ones) you will remember this , and im not talkin about their 4000k ones that are really good , but a average one like for almost 2k or so that are also really nice. My cheap Paco Castillo sounds much better , any Prodigio or Gitano from Bernal etc. , and are with solid woods , even my with american cypress .. I tried an Anders El. some years ago and it was way better that the sound of that 10k Conde , and the price was cheap in comparation (2k or 2k someting cant remeber) So , it was a little bit kind of a cheap trick from Solera , but if was a guy doing it on youtube without a company behind the same? maybe not because he doesnt have comercial relations , but Solera does... On another hand , they might told the truth..but it was kind of gossip , things that we talk with friends or beetween conversations with luthiers/guitarreros and not all of them does... Dont know what kind of relation you have with them , and if envolves trust and some big bucks. If you are just a buyer and dont have big orders and personal relation , i dont see any issue , but if you are... maybe you might re consider . Funny that Valeriano Bernal also came with a strange conversation with a lot of ...let me think... gossip and atacks to someone (singular or plural) and promissed to talk more about that. You can also check the video that i posted from him. Strange as Fuc*
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Date Mar. 5 2024 23:02:23
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Ricardo
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RE: Mariano Conde (in reply to Echi)
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As those guitars were actually very good and used by many professional players nobody raised a problem You imply this happy time was 1993. Well, it was NOT the case when I was in the market in 1997. I got the same opinions we see today…top models, all models, made in Valencia, many were junk, only good ones hand picked by pros have value, etc. Nothing different than the trash talk today. I had been on constant lookout ever since. Joining foros in 2003-4, it was all Conde are garbage trash talk…all hype due to PDL, etc. I was one of few defenders of the instruments online in English. I was partially leaning to R. Sanchis and sons for a while because of the Atoch discovery, but I gave up on that after many many examples tried. Sanchis cheap guitar compares to Domingo Esteso Montoya guitar I tried (no joke) vs to other lineages. The fact sanchis is a good conde copy is significant, but in the end I could not account for some details. I wanted to discover and buy the “cheap” true conde from Valencia, but I could never find it,ie did not seem to exist. So the possibility remained that conde bros actually built something I owned, and the only way to get it is pay handsomely for it. Finally in 2014 I got some answers.
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Date Mar. 6 2024 14:06:26
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Ricardo
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From: Washington DC
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RE: Mariano Conde (in reply to Manitas de Lata)
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ORIGINAL: Manitas de Lata Just saw a 5500K Sanchis with media luna , maybe its easy to be mistaken Mr. Ricardo sanchis started, in the early 2000’s, constructing TOP of the line hand built guitars with all the trimmings, at $4000. These were specially numbered rare guitars. It is most likely this would be a continuation of that line. I was thinking that THESE were going to be orders of magnitude better than Conde, like Conde on steroids. In the end I tried a couple, and they were not better than my Felipe V, and yet again I was confused why would Sanchis build Felipe V condes (we know he built some for Atocha for sure), and NOT build his own guitar much better???? Again, I have come to the conclusion the Conde bros actually built some A26, A25 during those years. And in 2014 I discovered which hands were the good ones coming from. Nothing has changed since then except the stories about it all (which we see in THIS thread changes day by day). And maybe the drama has ramped up a bit.
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