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Ricardo
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 RE: Felipe Conde Crespo (Junior ) (in reply to Manitas de Lata)
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ORIGINAL: Manitas de Lata
so do you think that the young Jedi does the same of Darth Vader?
hes a supose one man show , does he have that need to do the Darth way?
He is a friend, and I hung out with him a few times over the years. As I stated earlier, he had no interest in pushing a guitar on me, only to talk about flamenco and guitars as a good aficionado of it all. I know very well compulsive liars and they are always bring up weird things and painting themselves into a corner for no good reason. I love hitting those people with the revealing question that gets them stuck, defensive, nervous, or super inventive.  And this guy was NOT one of those types. So for HIM to bold face LIE to me at direct questions…well…for me it would be a new level of psychotic and huge shock to me.
If it were TRUE, Adalid built those guitars I played, it would be the equivalent of someone like ME, after all these years, truly didn’t even PLAY the guitar or know anything about flamenco after all our interactions here on foro, and the videos of me are all links I am providing of some other random dude named “Ricardo” who never once visited this place. And after I was “outed”, I just continue to pretend I am him like nothing happened. I would have to have already gone the next level to contact this “Ricardo” guy and have him sign an NDA to deny that he was NOT me, so I could continue writing on foro. It would be insane and nonsensical.
Last thing on this subject. Father and son often travel around the world together, like they came down to Sanlucar into the THICK of it, where we all looked at them with accusatory eyes and hard questions. They had no where to hide but confront it directly. Or to the NAMM shows to see what’s up and interact with professionals of all types. Any one of us with the knowledge, happy to expose any fraud right infront of everybody, it would be easy…child’s play IMO. Yet they go head in, carrying their instruments with a sense of pride like, no rush to sell these things. I try to imagine that in those cases are cheap factory guitars they bought and NEED to unload to pay for those expensive trips and hassle, and it is just ridiculous.
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Date Mar. 2 2024 14:54:26
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ernandez R
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RE: Felipe Conde Crespo (Junior ) (in reply to Manitas de Lata)
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Unless you built a guitar or two, a hundred, or perhaps even three hundred I think it’s hard to imagine what it means to build a guitar, it’s not pretty, it’s dirty and dusty, glue on everything and the occasional blood.
The last instagram photo Crespo posted he was figerplaning the bindings on the top, I noticed the top was finger fudged dirty but the shop floor was spotless, his shoes were too clean…
You know that IKEA meme, the one that shows a log and a guitar, that’s actually me, almost all my tops and ribs and linings and sound bars I extracted from a bark wrapped piece of tree. Doesn’t make my process better it’s just me and how I roll, **** I’ve got a ton of respect for someone who builds a guitar in their kitchen in the evenings from pre made LMI parts. I just made two bridges from scratch: cut carved filed sand paper steel wool linseed oil, and ya some blood. Nothing too fancy but I was explaining the process to a friend and said many builders amateur and pro alike buy premade or mostly pre-shaped bridges. Nothing wrong with that ether.
I don’t know, does a luither need to list every part he made or bought or did or didn’t form, hand made rosette hunched over the bench for hours or sticker ;) Don’t even want to start talking about who made your Tang orange finish, and ya I’ve talked to that guy up in Vancouver CA who does guitar finishing, if it didn’t cost so much I would feel cheap.
If Crespo’s guitars going out the door sound as good as the better or best of his families guitars then so be it. If he starts whoring out the process the guitar community will know, in todays information environment you can’t hide.
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Date Mar. 2 2024 17:49:53
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Ricardo
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RE: Felipe Conde Crespo (Junior ) (in reply to ernandez R)
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If Crespo’s guitars going out the door sound as good as the better or best of his families guitars then so be it. If he starts whoring out the process the guitar community will know, in today’s information environment you can’t hide.
If he “starts”??? I guess you missed the entire drama. His uncle says that neither HE nor his father EVER BUILT A SINGLE GUITAR in their dang lives, and would not know how. When asked (by me directly yesterday) whether, as rumors are saying, Felipe and son are buying ready made guitars from ESTEVE/ADALID specifically, the reply was “not only THAT, but Felipe has claimed to have built Paco De Lucia’s guitar demonstrating dishonor and disrespect to his own Father Mariano, brother of Faustino.” In other words, the reply was not a simple “yes” but a further unnecessary complex put down that would require a lot of susing out of details…which for me trying to find some truth is a red flag, for reasons I feel I have made clear. If the Felipe family can’t “hide” in this environment today, then what is the deal here? Someone with no biases or stakes in the game (journalist) should be able to easily prove this thing, or disprove. Period.
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Date Mar. 2 2024 20:36:08
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Ricardo
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RE: Felipe Conde Crespo (Junior ) (in reply to Echi)
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ORIGINAL: Echi
He is well capable of making guitars . I don’t think this thing of Esteve is true. He just takes some advantage of the business set up of his dad. He’s a nice fella.
“Don’t think it’s true”??
The main issue is SOMEONE is lying. As I said, either nobody named “conde” builds any guitar and people trash talk to only to their own brand’s detriment like glass house owner throwing stones, whichever brand, or Mariano/son is lying about “Felipe and son NEVER BUILT A GUITAR EVER”, meaning, NOT that they know how to build a guitar as you suggest, and choose not to, but they explicitly DON’T have that skill at all and never used it once (if false an extreme and unwarranted lie, but that is what they are saying directly), forcing Felipe and son to bold face lie to ME directly and everybody else to preserve the “brand”, which is apparantly supposed to be Esteve/Adalid in disguise with a rosette and media Luna. I have not observed ANY trash talk in the opposite direction (Felipe/Felipe jr has never stated Mariano to be a fraud that I have ever observed), so there is always the possibility which is VERY challenging one:
Maybe they actually build guitars??? And it was only the issue of B Models being made in Valencia that sparked the suspicions and rumors all along?
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Date Mar. 5 2024 11:52:49
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Ricardo
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RE: Felipe Conde Crespo (Junior ) (in reply to Echi)
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In the shop of Felipe Sr. is employed full time a good luthier while other luthiers are involved in different ways under Felipe
This is a completely different narrative than that pushed by Mariano supporters, nor Mariano himself in the comments. Since you won’t name the Luthiers, let’s find out who they are? Are these Luthier X people responsible for the “good Condes” or the “mediocre” ones? B models? See, this type of info only makes it worse. Supporters of Mariano with confirmation by him are CRYSTAL clear, that these “luthiers” are Esteve/Adalid. If they are LYING, then, red flags. WHY are they lying about something so simple that Pepe “anonymous” working in shop of Felipe is building his designs, which is a simple TRUTH to express instead???
Anyway I was checking Felipe jr Instagram as Jason mentioned, there are infact two or three guitars there CLEARLY made by his own hands that make it from first stages to finish, not possibly outsourced in anyway. If there was assisting it is not visible. There was an old man in dad Felipe’s shop, not hiding in anyway, doing some work in there. But even there it does not look like he is THE man behind the Conde instrument. Maybe he IS though?? His name is???????
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Date Mar. 6 2024 11:58:02
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Ricardo
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RE: Felipe Conde Crespo (Junior ) (in reply to Manitas de Lata)
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did you read the story from average joe ? the issue is different , altough who knows related...
This comment you grabbed I think from YouTube, as it sounds familiar, tells nothing more than the already known situation, that Atocha guitars where outsourced (we know to R. Sanchis), who does not paint fingerboards, so I doubt that story is true. Their guitars were of cost out of Valencia shop, in the range that the widow was selling them in the 1990’s from her own Conde shop. The issue was always about only ONE problem, that is likely due to this outsourcing of B guitars. The issue is TOP MODEL A GUITARS, built by two brothers Felipe and Mariano. The issue is when you get a good one vs a bad one, from anytime before the split, which one did you get? A Felipe mostly built one, a Mariano mostly built one? How to tell? Then the rumors came “oh NONE of them…they are ALL FACTORY”, then “B models yes, but A models are made by anonymous Luther IN MADRID”, then, “oh not that luthier this other one”, and then “only I know the truth it was anonymous” then back to “factory X in Valencia, I saw the media Luna”, and a huge etc. when they split it offered us a chance to see which brother was doing what. I figured it out 10 years ago. yet the drama continues with non-sensical insinuations across the board.
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Date Mar. 6 2024 12:12:14
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Ricardo
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RE: Felipe Conde Crespo (Junior ) (in reply to Manitas de Lata)
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ORIGINAL: Manitas de Lata
ok he was talking about his Conde valencia made
still paid a lot...
Perhaps you never heard of “buy it for a dollar sell it for 2”. That is how profit is made. That is why the widow of Julio Conde (Atocha) shop would buy a Sanchis from Valencia asking for a special headstock and other details (custom work in otherwords), for $600, stick in the Conde label, and sell it to my friend (for example) for $1200. That is simply the way it works. If the Average joe guy is not exaggerating, then they are talking about a guitar bought from Valencia for $1000, and sold for 2k. Nothing abnormal about it. Some years ago the H. Sanchis Lopez was being sold by a foro member here in Texas, excellent ATocha equivalents, for about $1500. I myself acquired one from Flamenco Vive Madrid “on sale” and received the tax back (duty free, so $200 from a $1700 guitar in the airport returned to me), which was considered 1F (the one my student had was 2F), and since I told the USA customs guy that it was my own guitar purchased in TEXAS (in case he checked on line quick maybe our guy would cover for me and would not have the guitar comfescated ). So, basically, I received a 1k value guitar via a dealer in Spain, and my student got a $750 value guitar from a dealer in USA, and we both spent the exact same amounts. That is how capitalism works. None of this is fraudulent or rip off type behavior.
What is Fraudulent is to mark up a $1000 Valencia made instrument to $8000 and LIE TO YOUR FRIEND’S FACE, that you have built it with your own hands. And just as evil would be to LIE to the public and spread the rumor that your own Brother and nephew are doing EXACTLY that if it is not true!!! And that is why I feel, an unbiased investigative journalist could easily track down all the related information to expose which ever truth is out there. Myself and other buyers could then stop relying on our instincts and fingers to inform about quality and source…we would simply know the source and then could go THERE directly to learn about quality (I have played bad Reyes and Arcangel so no single instrument deserves blind allegiance. But just cuz a cheap made Chinese guitar comes out great doesn’t mean someone should be allowed to sell it for 10k!)
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