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Ricardo
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RE: Scale length (in reply to rombsix)
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ORIGINAL: rombsix quote:
The guitarist (I was second guitar in this one) said he had worked his falsetas a fret lower and it was too late to change all the music day of the show. Gypsy language even was used and a lot of yelling, and they stopped talking to each other for some years because of this. The details are even funnier. The end of the argument came when the other guitarist pointed out I was playing in a different tonality, and because I did not use a capo to match the key, I would have to retune my guitar in the middle of the show. The singer was baffled by this, as the Guitarist was utilizing the singer’s ignorance of guitar mechanics and music transposition to put it to bed. However, the singer was very skeptical because the other guy was playing in capo 3 D# phrygian. I had worked out my own accompaniment to his part with my own harmonies and counter themes/chords etc, in open position Taranta (F#). The singer wanted a HIGHER pitch to sing, rendering the D# capo 3 guitar to run out of fret room up high. So the singer was thinking, why would Ricardo need to retune, couldn’t he just put on a capo to increase the pitch as any traditional guitarist would?? So in the dressing room the singer confronted me in private: “is what he saying true compadre? You can’t play in a higher pitch without retune?”….and there I was stuck in the middle of the politics. But I refuse to be a liar, so I said “I can use a capo but HE won’t be able to play his part, he would have to re work it to a different tonality”… The thing is, the singer actually preferred what I was playing as it sounded more “traditional” anyway, and whatever the lead guitar was doing sounded like “Jax fusion de mierda!” . We stuck to the program in the end. I have a funnier story where a cantaora could not handle singing two different cantes (Guajiras and a buleria in major like Pajarerro etc, cuz she had no other fast ending prepared for Guajiras) in the same key….unhappy with either 3 or 4 por medio (La mayor) for one cante or the other. After several tries she insisted that I change keys at the end….but it is in the middle of heavy footwork where I am driving hard compas. So the only way I could achieve such a thing was with two capos, so that I could flick one Dunlop style capo off after the llamada. It was so bizarre sounding and everybody was rolling their eyes, but I had no choice.
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estebanana
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RE: Scale length (in reply to Ricardo)
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ORIGINAL: Ricardo quote:
ORIGINAL: rombsix quote:
The guitarist (I was second guitar in this one) said he had worked his falsetas a fret lower and it was too late to change all the music day of the show. Gypsy language even was used and a lot of yelling, and they stopped talking to each other for some years because of this. The details are even funnier. The end of the argument came when the other guitarist pointed out I was playing in a different tonality, and because I did not use a capo to match the key, I would have to retune my guitar in the middle of the show. The singer was baffled by this, as the Guitarist was utilizing the singer’s ignorance of guitar mechanics and music transposition to put it to bed. However, the singer was very skeptical because the other guy was playing in capo 3 D# phrygian. I had worked out my own accompaniment to his part with my own harmonies and counter themes/chords etc, in open position Taranta (F#). The singer wanted a HIGHER pitch to sing, rendering the D# capo 3 guitar to run out of fret room up high. So the singer was thinking, why would Ricardo need to retune, couldn’t he just put on a capo to increase the pitch as any traditional guitarist would?? So in the dressing room the singer confronted me in private: “is what he saying true compadre? You can’t play in a higher pitch without retune?”….and there I was stuck in the middle of the politics. But I refuse to be a liar, so I said “I can use a capo but HE won’t be able to play his part, he would have to re work it to a different tonality”… The thing is, the singer actually preferred what I was playing as it sounded more “traditional” anyway, and whatever the lead guitar was doing sounded like “Jax fusion de mierda!” . We stuck to the program in the end. I have a funnier story where a cantaora could not handle singing two different cantes (Guajiras and a buleria in major like Pajarerro etc, cuz she had no other fast ending prepared for Guajiras) in the same key….unhappy with either 3 or 4 por medio (La mayor) for one cante or the other. After several tries she insisted that I change keys at the end….but it is in the middle of heavy footwork where I am driving hard compas. So the only way I could achieve such a thing was with two capos, so that I could flick one Dunlop style capo off after the llamada. It was so bizarre sounding and everybody was rolling their eyes, but I had no choice. There was the fellow Chris Cairns ( correct?) he was in Moron in the 60’s and made recordings that are famous among Moronies- he was known as Chris Dos Santos - because he owned two Santos guitars. Now we have ‘Ricardo Dos Cejillas de la Jax mierda’
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Date Oct. 14 2023 9:55:04
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rombsix
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The details are even funnier. The end of the argument came when the other guitarist pointed out I was playing in a different tonality, and because I did not use a capo to match the key, I would have to retune my guitar in the middle of the show. The singer was baffled by this, as the Guitarist was utilizing the singer’s ignorance of guitar mechanics and music transposition to put it to bed. However, the singer was very skeptical because the other guy was playing in capo 3 D# phrygian. I had worked out my own accompaniment to his part with my own harmonies and counter themes/chords etc, in open position Taranta (F#). The singer wanted a HIGHER pitch to sing, rendering the D# capo 3 guitar to run out of fret room up high. So the singer was thinking, why would Ricardo need to retune, couldn’t he just put on a capo to increase the pitch as any traditional guitarist would?? So in the dressing room the singer confronted me in private: “is what he saying true compadre? You can’t play in a higher pitch without retune?”….and there I was stuck in the middle of the politics. But I refuse to be a liar, so I said “I can use a capo but HE won’t be able to play his part, he would have to re work it to a different tonality”… The thing is, the singer actually preferred what I was playing as it sounded more “traditional” anyway, and whatever the lead guitar was doing sounded like “Jax fusion de mierda!” . We stuck to the program in the end. I have a funnier story where a cantaora could not handle singing two different cantes (Guajiras and a buleria in major like Pajarerro etc, cuz she had no other fast ending prepared for Guajiras) in the same key….unhappy with either 3 or 4 por medio (La mayor) for one cante or the other. After several tries she insisted that I change keys at the end….but it is in the middle of heavy footwork where I am driving hard compas. So the only way I could achieve such a thing was with two capos, so that I could flick one Dunlop style capo off after the llamada. It was so bizarre sounding and everybody was rolling their eyes, but I had no choice. You're a very patient man, Ricardo.
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