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RobF
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Sisyphus and the Lutherie section
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Hi, long one coming up.... There was a post about a guitar for sale that kind of went south a bit and it now seems to have been removed. But it contained some really significant points, at least in my opinion, made by both myself and estabanana, about the state of the Lutherie section and the relationship between the guitar makers who contribute to the section and the other members. I wish we would have had the opportunity to capture those points so we could have made a separate post. I think some of the ones made by Stephen were very important. For my part, and I don’t know if it’s just me and due to how I present myself, but I’m beginning to wonder if the place is worth the effort. I have learned a lot from other makers on the Foro over the years and joined at a time when the continuance of the Foro was in question. I wanted to pay it back and also hoped that having some new blood contributing could help keep it happening. I realize a lot of my posts are kind of just joking around, in part because I see no harm in the place being entertaining, but when I talk about guitar making my posts are sincere and informed. I may not get everything right, and I often bang out my responses pretty quickly, but I’ve also spent hours, even days, preparing and researching some of my responses to people seeking information. Recently, there has been a spate of new members who don’t seem to have any appreciation that they are talking to real-world competent guitar makers who are well-versed and capable. There seems to be this idea that we are just a bunch of wannabes spouting opinions, but that’s not the case. The makers on here are, and I include myself in this group, kick-ass at their craft and they make world class guitars which can stand proudly beside the instruments of pretty well any other maker alive. And that’s not an opinion, it’s a f*cking fact. So, for me, I think I’m done...at least for now. I don’t like the lack of respect and the rudeness, and recently I’ve found myself getting sucked into the morass. There’s been a few too many posts by people who clearly don’t know their butts from holes in the ground who too quickly will label anything they don’t want to hear as simply being “an opinion” and dismiss the fact that the person trying to help them actually might know what they’re talking about...and forget about expecting even a word of thanks or acknowledgement for the effort. It’s like they think the Foro owes them something. It’s idiotic and it’s not worth the aggravation dealing with that level of ignorance. When I joined, it was because I felt I owed the Foro something, not the other way around, and that has been my stance ever since that moment. I really and genuinely value the acquaintances and friendships I’ve formed here, but I really think I should take a break, it’s affecting my happiness. That might seem thin-skinned, but after a number of years of actually taking the place quite seriously and sincerely attempting to contribute to its health and success, I guess a person can start to feel they have a vested interest. I don’t know. But it’s been a source of disappointment recently, so clearly it’s time for a break. I really regret that the other post was removed, because Stephen managed to sum up my feelings on the subject in a far more elegant manner than I’ve just done. This isn’t one of those hand-on-forehead good-bye posts, BTW, I’ll probably be back around as soon as I can think up a good joke. But as far as helping people in the Lutherie section goes, maybe I’ll be more careful and vet the people I respond to. I’m only really interested in spending the time and effort on working with sincere and respectful people. The funny thing is , I can tell pretty quickly who is going to end up making a nice guitar, Jason and Jonas being good examples. I knew right away those two would do great work. There are others who come along where I just think...good luck. Simon, if you could bring back the points made by Stephen and me in that other post, or send them to me, I could cut and paste them over all the blather I just wrote. But I think the time is due for people to understood what some of the contributing makers to the Lutherie section have been going through. It’s not always pleasant, because we really do care about furthering the craft, and some weeks it feels like an uphill battle against the same recurring BS, over and over and over again. Kind of like Sisyphus. Give me a day or so and I’ll probably pull a Piwin on this post, or condense it into something more meaningful, so please nobody go copying the whole darned thing and responding to it. That wouldn’t be a very nice thing to do. I want what I’ve just said to be put out there, but not necessarily forever. But I think it needs to be heard. If only for a few days. Really, I’d rather just the salient points of the deleted post be returned, they said it better.
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Date Aug. 16 2021 23:13:38
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Ricardo
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RE: Sisyphus and the Lutherie section (in reply to Pali)
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ORIGINAL: Pali Hi, long one coming up.... There was a post about a guitar for sale that kind of went south a bit and it now seems to have been removed. But it contained some really significant points, at least in my opinion, made by both myself and estabanana, about the state of the Lutherie section and the relationship between the guitar makers who contribute to the section and the other members. I wish we would have had the opportunity to capture those points so we could have made a separate post. I think some of the ones made by Stephen were very important. For my part, and I don’t know if it’s just me and due to how I present myself, but I’m beginning to wonder if the place is worth the effort. I have learned a lot from other makers on the Foro over the years and joined at a time when the continuance of the Foro was in question. I wanted to pay it back and also hoped that having some new blood contributing could help keep it happening. I realize a lot of my posts are kind of just joking around, in part because I see no harm in the place being entertaining, but when I talk about guitar making my posts are sincere and informed. I may not get everything right, and I often bang out my responses pretty quickly, but I’ve also spent hours, even days, preparing and researching some of my responses to people seeking information. Recently, there has been a spate of new members who don’t seem to have any appreciation that they are talking to real-world competent guitar makers who are well-versed and capable. There seems to be this idea that we are just a bunch of wannabes spouting opinions, but that’s not the case. The makers on here are, and I include myself in this group, kick-ass at their craft and they make world class guitars which can stand proudly beside the instruments of pretty well any other maker alive. And that’s not an opinion, it’s a f*cking fact. So, for me, I think I’m done...at least for now. I don’t like the lack of respect and the rudeness, and recently I’ve found myself getting sucked into the morass. There’s been a few too many posts by people who clearly don’t know their butts from holes in the ground who too quickly will label anything they don’t want to hear as simply being “an opinion” and dismiss the fact that the person trying to help them actually might know what they’re talking about...and forget about expecting even a word of thanks or acknowledgement for the effort. It’s like they think the Foro owes them something. It’s idiotic and it’s not worth the aggravation dealing with that level of ignorance. When I joined, it was because I felt I owed the Foro something, not the other way around, and that has been my stance ever since that moment. I really and genuinely value the acquaintances and friendships I’ve formed here, but I really think I should take a break, it’s affecting my happiness. That might seem thin-skinned, but after a number of years of actually taking the place quite seriously and sincerely attempting to contribute to its health and success, I guess a person can start to feel they have a vested interest. I don’t know. But it’s been a source of disappointment recently, so clearly it’s time for a break. I really regret that the other post was removed, because Stephen managed to sum up my feelings on the subject in a far more elegant manner than I’ve just done. This isn’t one of those hand-on-forehead good-bye posts, BTW, I’ll probably be back around as soon as I can think up a good joke. But as far as helping people in the Lutherie section goes, maybe I’ll be more careful and vet the people I respond to. I’m only really interested in spending the time and effort on working with sincere and respectful people. The funny thing is , I can tell pretty quickly who is going to end up making a nice guitar, Jason and Jonas being good examples. I knew right away those two would do great work. There are others who come along where I just think...good luck. Simon, if you could bring back the points made by Stephen and me in that other post, or send them to me, I could cut and paste them over all the blather I just wrote. But I think the time is due for people to understood what some of the contributing makers to the Lutherie section have been going through. It’s not always pleasant, because we really do care about furthering the craft, and some weeks it feels like an uphill battle against the same recurring BS, over and over and over again. Kind of like Sisyphus. Give me a day or so and I’ll probably pull a Piwin on this post, or condense it into something more meaningful, so please nobody go copying the whole darned thing and responding to it. That wouldn’t be a very nice thing to do. I want what I’ve just said to be put out there, but not necessarily forever. But I think it needs to be heard. If only for a few days. Really, I’d rather just the salient points of the deleted post be returned, they said it better. Nooooo Why? It's simple, you just have to have fun and ignore what you don't like ... He said don’t cut and paste what he wrote. Smh
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Date Aug. 17 2021 15:41:30
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RobF
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RE: Sisyphus and the Lutherie section (in reply to Ricardo)
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He said don’t cut and paste what he wrote. Smh OMFG....you guys are freaking impossible. SMH, indeed... I think Bill hit the nail on the head with respect to the OP of the other thread, although a quick check shows he signed up with his real name and uses his username on other platforms. He also seems to be a big fan of the maker and owns or owned at least one of his classical instruments. So, he was probably just trying to do a solid for a friend, and didn’t realize he’d get blowback for ignoring the TOS. But, as was said, even if done in innocence it was a pretty transparent end run around the rules, which are pretty reasonable and easy ones to adhere to. So calling it out was the right thing to do, IMO. It’s happened to me, too. That bloody Piwin called me out for my Karnak sock puppet and I got a slap on the wrist and the account was locked, so it happens. A huge amount of comedic potential was lost in the process, but rules are rules, as they say...
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Date Aug. 17 2021 16:18:05
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ernandez R
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RE: Sisyphus and the Lutherie section (in reply to constructordeguitarras)
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ORIGINAL: constructordeguitarras quote:
Subscription notifications are not working because we are limited on how many email we can send out because of spam controls. Thanks for that insight. Any idea what my photo-posting problem could be? Ethan, I bumped into a solution. I use a couple different iPhones, three and an iPad to be exact and a few years ago at the delcamp then the foro it became an issue. I all but gave up. Then by pure chance I was fiddling with one of my cracked glass newish iDevices I noticed I could resize the photo during the upload choose the foto processe. Easy peasy. Doesn't work on my still untracked cracked iPhone 4s which I refuse to give up as my primary device and doesn't work on this first generation iPad I'm using to type this right now. Ok, First I click the Embed box so I don't forget later Then I click the Click here to download Then I click one of the, I better stop,to look..., Choose file buttons Then I get a choice of where to download a photo or take one, I choose: Photo Library At the bottom of the screen mine sez Actual size XXX: click on it You will get a choice of small, med, large, actual size: I find medium always works. Now the total of all four fotos must be less then 1024kb, I've bumped into this limit so go back and readjust. This is all on a newer iPhone and it actually saves me from having to dick around with my laptop which is nice. Also works on the delcamp. Hope this helps. I've got a nice little digital Licia I would love to use more but I can't find the darn battery charger... the boss has the latest iPhone and it's almost as good but she keeps it gluesd to her soul so doubt I'll have a chance. Once I get a new phone it will not interface with my old laptop etc so I'm waiting it out, it's ether me or the technology ;$ HR
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Date Aug. 18 2021 6:18:51
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RobF
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RE: Sisyphus and the Lutherie section (in reply to constructordeguitarras)
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Thanks for that insight. Any idea what my photo-posting problem could be? Ethan, I use an iPad and recently the ability for size selection became available and a lot of the hassle went away. There’s still some kind of weird picture rotation that happens, but if the picture is opened in the photo editor and slightly modified, then saved, it seems to prevent the rotation, no idea why. Also, each photo has to be embedded as a separate step or the size limit appears to be applied globally, instead of to the individual photos. Then, after the pictures are embedded, I submit the post, and immediately reopen it for edit it so I can move the links to the pictures into the text to make everything look slick - you know...text, picture, some more text, couple more pictures...looks pro. If it’s an important post I’ll prepare everything in advance because I know time is going to be spent on editing to get the formatting right and it’s good to get it all in shape quickly before Pali can come along and copy the whole darned thing and repost it before I have a chance to get it all perfect. It’s a little labour intensive, but it would be great if you could get it all working so you could post some more pictorials of your ideas and work.
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Date Aug. 18 2021 11:21:58
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