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ernandez R
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Ethan D's stunning lemon yellow shellac?
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Ethan D's lemon yellow shellac? Was up late the other night perusing the Foro into years past and came across a few Flamenco builds on the old show your work thread: http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=213032&p=5&tmode=1&smode=1 Anyway I became intrigued by Sr. Deutsch's yellow shellac and was wondering if anyone wanted to share the process. The guitar, one of them anyway, is on page 6 half way down. Not sure how much the yellow is from the lighting or camera cooler balance by the time it makes is way to m eyes via an iDevice. Was assuming a spit coat of blond to seal, then padding on just enough yellow for the color, then topping with more super blond so leveling etc will not cut through the color? What is the name of said yellow shellac, where to get, etc. Grrr, couldn't get photo to load, my device screen shots int *.pict or somthing like that... HR
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Date Jan. 15 2021 3:25:39
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ernandez R
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RE: Ethan D's stunning lemon yellow ... (in reply to RobF)
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ORIGINAL: RobF Following with interest. I started spray tinting my Blancas with tinted shellac this summer. I keep meaning to do a thread on what I learned, but never got around to it. I still can, if there’s interest, just have to get myself organized. Or maybe this thread is a good enough place for it, if it starts playing out that way. I’m not sure spraying ends up being any more efficient at achieving the end than padding, however. I’ve pretty well moved into the camp of having some level of tint on my Blancas, at this point, I just like how an old gold finish looks. Rob, Would love to hear how you go about spraying color into your shellac I kept bumping into hints that many were spraying shellac but it seemed no one wanted to admit it publicly. I have this really nice Iwata 100 gun I used for spraying metal flake on airplanes back in the day. Shoots whisky based finishes ok, still needs a smaller tip then the 1.1 on it now but I manage. Like any finish aggressive leveling early in the process pays dividends toward the end. Still coming to terms with it eleven guitars in and like every aspect of Luthery patience patience patience HR
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Date Jan. 16 2021 17:37:30
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ernandez R
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RE: Ethan D's stunning lemon yellow ... (in reply to ernandez R)
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Sorry to hear about your pain... No easy way around it but best to get off the pills soon as practicable, do to complactions my Docter lost track of how long I had been in what and it was not a lot of fun getting off them. But man I could play for hours 4-6 at times with narry a tingle n my fingers and joints. Sadly I couldn't read music, more sad was I couldn't read anything, couldnt focus on a paragraph...and I live to read. So I figured analine dye was a path some were using. Take your time and whenever you feel up to it... I've been shooting a paint gun since I was a young man, killed my share of brain cells I suppose do to the chemicals, got T the point my eyesite let me down and the newer paints just didn't lay down the way Imeron and Ditzler did. Open a can of Imeron today and it smells just like cheap rattlecan and its just as durable. PPG bought out Ditzler some time ago and there are a couple quality paints if one wanted to spray solid bodies like our scribe is preparing to do. Been looking at some product on shellac.net, dewaxed blond and gossamer mmtm . An old post Ethan says he gets his shellac from here, do recall him talking about de waxing but not sure it was the yellow ish shellac he was using, couldnt dig up that post. Hoping he finds the time to check in and set us straight although I understand some secrets must be kept ;) HR
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Date Jan. 18 2021 23:44:55
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constructordeguitarras
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RE: Ethan D's stunning lemon yellow ... (in reply to ernandez R)
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I get most of my shellac from shellac.net I think the color in question is from Kusmi button shellac. It is a caramel color, not as yellow as it appears in the photo on the Foro on my computer. However, shellac.net does sell a lemon yellow shellac. I think it's called lemon yellow shellac. I have found that all the shellac I have bought from everywhere has a lot of wax in it, which can cause the finish to do undesired things. Even "dewaxed" shellac. And especially button shellac. The way I deal with it is I bought a cheap centrifuge and I centrifuge my shellac solutions, which takes out the wax. I put the tubes in, set the timer for 30 minutes, turn the speed to max, and run out of my workshop while it starts to spin. It's scary because centrifuges can explode, especially if the filled tubes are not all of the same weight. I would have replied sooner but for some reason I still don't receive any notifications from the Foro. Oh, wait, I guess there was no notification, but I wanted to throw that in. --Ethan P.S.: Now that I've looked at the pictures again, I realize that that is my personal guitar that I play all the time. Definitely Kusmi button lac. P.P.S.: Thanks Jason and Ricardo.
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Date Jan. 19 2021 5:47:05
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ernandez R
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RE: Ethan D's stunning lemon yellow ... (in reply to Andy Culpepper)
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Andy, I'm not super interested in darker colors per say, just wanted to add a touch, or rather hint of color, anything but orange for dogs sake, but thought trying to stain the wood directly would be problematic to get uniform coverage with the different woods, glue lines etc? To be honest I'm thinking less and less of the idea, I like the natural tone the woods take over time. Had to do some sanding on the top of two that had hung mostly near a window while my foot healed, anyway there are some slight variations near the edge Es of the bridge and fretboard where I was notmaboemto scrape all the sun tanned wood. Darn tops were on the verge, if not too far already to be taking more off. HR
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I prefer my flamenco guitar spicy, doesn't have to be fast, should have some meat on the bones, can be raw or well done, as long as it doesn't sound like it's turning green on an elevator floor. www.instagram.com/threeriversguitars
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Date Jan. 23 2021 6:30:01
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ernandez R
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RE: Ethan D's stunning lemon yellow ... (in reply to ernandez R)
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Well, I do have a vacuum pump I used for carbon fiber model airplanes collecting dust somewhere. Anyway, got inspired, took my #1 out to the shop and prepped the back for shellac. Turns out I had some packets of aniline die but it had a vary fine mica glitter too. Pretty ;) Mixed up about six parts yellow and one part orange in about an inch of alcohol then added the same of some Zasnar can shellac. Wiped about four wet coats with a paper towel, let it dry for a bit, blocked it with some 400 cross grain wet with more shellac as a sort of pore filler. Let it dry some then padded for a while, leveled with 400 again with olive oil, wiped it with a paper towel then padded some more. In a video S Faulk put up yesterday he was padding a lot slower then I ever did, made a big difference once I had the discipline to not speed up. Leveled again with a small block, six layers of thin paper towel, 600 this time, Getting just a touch of yellow tone, looked a bit splotchy but evened our when I leveled. Padded some more, almost instantly loaded up the weave of my manuca. Damn... got greedy, should have slowed down or stopped for an hour. Liberated some filled pores ... HR
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Date Jan. 24 2021 6:30:25
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Andy Culpepper
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RE: Ethan D's stunning lemon yellow ... (in reply to ernandez R)
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Andy, I'm not super interested in darker colors per say, just wanted to add a touch, or rather hint of color, anything but orange for dogs sake, but thought trying to stain the wood directly would be problematic to get uniform coverage with the different woods, glue lines etc? That's pretty much what I do, just a touch. If the wood is prepped really well it can take the stain evenly, unless there are areas of runout that absorb differently. I haven't noticed a problem with glue lines.
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