Barnett/Sagework Guitar Support

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rombsix

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Barnett/Sagework Guitar Support

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXlUZGx90cYRDfNI-WXRmDw/videos?shelf_id=0&view=0&sort=dd

http://www.sagework.org/overview/Introduction/index.html

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benros

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RE: Barnett Guitar Support (in reply to rombsix)

thanks, ramzi, for your review. seems to be pretty interesting. just two questions: the magnets must be fixed stationary inside the guitar, so you have to buy further magnets, if you want to use the support on different guitars? is it easy to remove the support? since you have demonstrated, that the magnets are very strong, is there a trick to remove the support without deconstructing the guitar?

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rombsix

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RE: Barnett Guitar Support (in reply to benros)

Additional sets of Internal Magnets are available for using the support on additional instruments. I'm guessing that you have to buy these directly from the makers of this support. I couldn't find any through StringsByMail (where I got the support).

Yes, very easy to remove the support. Just tilt it 45 degrees away from the guitar (by using the points of contact with the body as a fulcrum), then move it away from the body and it will quickly detach. That way, you will not deconstruct the guitar.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 19 2017 12:08:27

benros

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RE: Barnett Guitar Support (in reply to rombsix)

sounds good. i was searching for a support for a while, which one can use on shellac without applying a foil or such thing. this solution seems to pretty clever. i found a dealer here in germany who also sells the extra magnets (for extra money 😜) and i think, i will give it a try... only the price is what makes me hesitate.
anyway, thanks for the introduction!
greetings,
ben

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 19 2017 12:38:52

Blondie#2

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RE: Barnett Guitar Support (in reply to rombsix)

Thanks for that Ramzi, these are quite popular on Delcamp.

I should say I've used my De Oro with several French polished guitars, have you not tried using a static plastic film like Diego's 'Finishield'? I buy similar sheets off Ebay very cheaply and they work great on my guitars.

Nice Solea :-)

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 19 2017 12:48:48

pundi64

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RE: Barnett Guitar Support (in reply to Blondie#2)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Blondie#2

Thanks for that Ramzi, these are quite popular on Delcamp.

I should say I've used my De Oro with several French polished guitars, have you not tried using a static plastic film like Diego's 'Finishield'? I buy similar sheets off Ebay very cheaply and they work great on my guitars.

Nice Solea :-)

I also use the De Oro on my Joseph J. Redman flamenco, French polished, maple Blanca works fine, I also use on my poly Negara, granted the cups do adhere better to the poly finish.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 19 2017 20:51:13

rombsix

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RE: Barnett Guitar Support (in reply to pundi64)

Yeah, I don't know guys... I tried the FiniShied, and a special low-tack adhesive FiniShield that Diego made especially for this situation. Also tried to change the suction cups and tried adjustments to them as suggested by Diego. Despite all of that, I still could NOT get the cups to stay stuck on the guitar for more than 2 minutes at a time. I then used the same "failing" cups on my polyurethane finish guitar, and they stuck immediately and permanently. Thus, the issue was something with the particular finish/surface of my new JdZ guitar. I have no clue how to explain it, but I seriously tried everything!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 19 2017 22:45:52

Leñador

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RE: Barnett/Sagework Guitar Support (in reply to rombsix)

I've been using this guy:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B019MIPZ8M/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Sticks much better to my polyfinish guitars than my French polish Stephen Faulk but it sticks just enough to work and doesn't damage anything.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 20 2017 15:25:42

pundi64

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RE: Barnett Guitar Support (in reply to pundi64)

Here is the De Oro support for Flamenco guitar

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 20 2017 23:56:15

Cervantes

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RE: Barnett/Sagework Guitar Support (in reply to rombsix)

I have a De Oro but don't use it because the suction cups put marks on my guitar. How do the magnets stay in place, adhesive?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 23 2017 17:20:04

rombsix

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RE: Barnett/Sagework Guitar Support (in reply to Cervantes)

quote:

How do the magnets stay in place, adhesive?

Yup.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 23 2017 18:13:20

Dudnote

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RE: Barnett Guitar Support (in reply to pundi64)

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ORIGINAL: pundi64
Here is the De Oro support...

It was Ramzi that persuaded me to try the De Oro with a review he made of them a year or two back. I use it on my blanca, really nice alternative, especially when reading partitions, and it's great that it can fold up quickly so you can be sitting Paco style in two shakes of a lambs tail. Thanks for that review Ramzi

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 23 2017 18:38:44

rombsix

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RE: Barnett Guitar Support (in reply to Dudnote)

Of course, Dudnote. I am still a HUGE fan of Diego's supports. This JdZ guitar I use now just does not like them, for some reason... I still use Diego's supports on my other guitars. Olé!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 23 2017 20:16:29

pundi64

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RE: Barnett/Sagework Guitar Support (in reply to Cervantes)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Cervantes

I have a De Oro but don't use it because the suction cups put marks on my guitar. How do the magnets stay in place, adhesive?

You can send to me if you do not want it, let me know I'll give you my address.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 23 2017 20:52:44

rombsix

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RE: Barnett/Sagework Guitar Support (in reply to pundi64)

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You can send to me if you do not want it, let me know I'll give you my address.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 23 2017 22:43:14

rombsix

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RE: Barnett/Sagework Guitar Support (in reply to rombsix)

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 13 2017 5:11:27

rombsix

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RE: Barnett/Sagework Guitar Support (in reply to rombsix)

I have three Umbra models of this guitar support coming to my place. These will be FREE giveaways to help the folks get this product out there and to have you try it out and post a review of what you like and what may need to be improved. Please PM me if you are interested. I can ship this to you at YOUR cost. Cheers!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 16 2017 19:17:21

benros

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RE: Barnett/Sagework Guitar Support (in reply to rombsix)

hey ramzi,
i think ive pmd you but im not quite sure, cause there is nothing in my sent box. anyway, if you would ship to germany, i would be glad to try out one of these!
greetings,
ben

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 16 2017 20:24:01

rombsix

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RE: Barnett/Sagework Guitar Support (in reply to benros)

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 16 2017 21:13:33

rombsix

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RE: Barnett/Sagework Guitar Support (in reply to rombsix)

Lorenzo and Lenny are getting theirs soon.

Anybody else in the USA interested in one of these? You ONLY pay for the cost of my sending you this, and the guitar support itself is FREE.

Awaiting your reviews...

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 19 2017 20:31:06

rombsix

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RE: Barnett/Sagework Guitar Support (in reply to rombsix)

Anybody else in the USA interested in one of these? You ONLY pay for the cost of my sending you this, and the guitar support itself is FREE.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 28 2017 16:31:55

rombsix

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RE: Barnett/Sagework Guitar Support (in reply to rombsix)

FREE STUFF!!!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 18 2017 4:27:29

Ghodaddyyo

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RE: Barnett/Sagework Guitar Support (in reply to rombsix)

Did you say free? I went to order one of these just now on Strings By Mail and they are backordered. :( I want to use it on my practice guitar which is a Yamaha 172 with the satin finish. No suction cups will stick to it.

I also have a Yamaha Silent Guitar and would love it if someone would create a guitar support for it. It's too skinny for the support systems out there.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 1 2018 19:46:18

Richard Jernigan

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RE: Barnett/Sagework Guitar Support (in reply to rombsix)

After carrying on about playing in the traditional position with no support a few years ago, I have transitioned to using a support. I tried a few with suction cups, never felt secure. I have stuck with the Murata for a couple of years now. It clamps the guitar in a vise-like grip. I have used it on the Arcangel and the Ramirez blanca for a while with no visible ill effects on the instruments.

https://www.stringsbymail.com/murata-gr-2b-guitar-rest-with-adjustable-feet-black-4577.html

Various lengths of support posts are available. I just measured mine at 6 inches (15.2 cm). This is considerably longer than the standard one, but I am 6' 4" (193 cm) tall, so it takes a long post to approximate the traditional position for me. Six inches is not one of the standard lengths. I bought a longer one and sawed it off.

RNJ

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 1 2018 20:13:24

rombsix

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RE: Barnett/Sagework Guitar Support (in reply to Ghodaddyyo)

quote:

Did you say free? I went to order one of these just now on Strings By Mail and they are backordered. :( I want to use it on my practice guitar which is a Yamaha 172 with the satin finish. No suction cups will stick to it.

Alas, all gone...

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 2 2018 1:38:49

Ghodaddyyo

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RE: Barnett/Sagework Guitar Support (in reply to rombsix)

Thanks Rombsix.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 2 2018 17:22:59

edguerin

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RE: Barnett/Sagework Guitar Support (in reply to rombsix)

So I have the same problems with the de Oro support. The French polish on my Anders blanca seems to be too "porous" for the suction cups, and neither the normal nor the low-tack FiniShields work.
So I'm looking into two alternatives: Sagework and a German product "Hagi Guitar Support"

2 questions about the Sagework: doe the magnets change the sound in any way? And at 6'4" (support on right thigh) should I get the large version (difficult to get here in Germany)?

As to the Hagi, it's a lot cheaper but comes with two Velcro-like pads that get glued to the outside of the bouts with some kind of double faced tape. According to the maker, they do not damage Shellack in any way, and don't leave marks. I'm a bit apprehensive about that. Your ideas?

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edguerin

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RE: Barnett/Sagework Guitar Support (in reply to rombsix)

So I've been using the Hagi Guitar Support for a while now. It's a great help as far as posture and left hand is concerned. It's light, and folds more or less flat along the bout.

BUT: it feels so unflamenco

So I guess it's either comfort and health or Gitano/Machismo/Flamenco

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 11 2019 10:42:52

flyeogh

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RE: Barnett/Sagework Guitar Support (in reply to edguerin)

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So I guess it's either comfort and health or Gitano/Machismo/Flamenco

Ed I'm using the d'oro on both my active guitars and I couldn't be happier. No more mucking around with a foot stool. Feels comfortable. And offers a much more consistent position.

As for street cred my gitano prof in Jerez de la Frontera wants one

And my online guy knows fine players who use such devises.

Occasionally the sucker at the back of my Ander's comes away for the porous reason you mentioned, but so infrequently it doesn't bother me, And on my Anders and my Valeriano Bernal I use the Fini shields and zero marking problems.

But at 67 in truth be damned about street cred. If the music is not good enough and I look too guiri they know what they can do. That said never had a bad word from a gitano, spaniard, or anyone. Most appreciate and are amazed by the effort I put in and what I have achieved (ok so around here they are easily impressed

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