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RE: How can anyone not like rumba?
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BarkellWH
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 RE: How can anyone not like rumba? (in reply to rombsix)
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This is extremely boring and supremely easy to accomplish. Just 3 minutes on the guitar, and you will get it sounding 100% like this. Yes? All I'm saying is don't use just one aspect of what rumba can be to bring down the entire genre.
You are missing the point of most of the comments on this thread, Ramzi. You certainly have failed to grasp my point. No one is saying that rumba cannot be played with intricate strumming and golpe/slapping technique. Speaking strictly for myself, the example you post of Sylvano playing rumba demonstrates fast, intricate strumming and golpe/slapping. He is very good, indeed.
But referencing the main point in my previously posted comment, it is a question of taste. I simply find rumba, even when played at a high level, to be nerve-wracking and boring after about two minutes. If I had to listen to it for five minutes I would be headed for the exit. It is simply not my cup of tea, regardless how much you try and convince us that we should like it because you like it and because it can be played well. We know you like it, and we know it can be played intricately and well. Those are not the determinants of taste, which is a much more individual quality than you seem to think.
Bill
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Date May 16 2016 19:15:01
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norumba
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RE: How can anyone not like rumba? (in reply to Pimientito)
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Friends - it is always easier to poke fun at matters rather than to try and understand what they really are. I would like for any of you (that do not do guitar gigs for a living) to upload a video with a well-executed, complex rumba strumming pattern that is going at a fast tempo for 5 continuous minutes. If any of you can do so, then we'll resume the mockery on this thread. I think that if none of you can do so, then we ought to lock/delete this thread.
I'm saddened by the degree of cynicism that has come to engulf the majority of topics on the foro nowadays.
Dont conflate aesthetics with execution. i get that it takes a very specific right hand technique to do it well, and i have mad respect for those that do it well, of course; that doesn't mean i like the genre (same with most operas or most western classical music, for me: I appreciate the skill and talent, i aesthetically cant stand the form).
Doesn't mean rumba is bad or inferior or lacks merit or is inherently inauthentic, its just not for me.
And your green eggs and ham approach of ' try it, you'll like it' doesnt work for me. i can slog through a rumba if I have to, but i have no desire to perfect my rumba as i hate the form unconditionally and life is too long to spend hours doing something you dont like if you dont have to.
making me play it wont convert me and doesnt make it me like it any more than not playing it :)
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Date May 16 2016 19:39:25
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rombsix
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RE: How can anyone not like rumba? (in reply to Dudnote)
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Friends - I understand that there is bad taste when it comes to rumba, and I understand that preferences in music are subjective. I also know that some good rumberos cannot play other palos or other techniques well. That is not my issue here.
All I am saying is that this thread started out with a misleading statement (even if joking in parts) that looks like this:
"Rumba, rumba how do I hate thee, let me count the ways. Hahaha I don't hate ALL rumbas, I hate rumbas like that because;
1. It sounds like a sleezy night club where women have to keep an eye on their drinks.
2. It lacks a soul, it's whole existence is only for the purpose of helping morons procreate.
3. It reeks of men in suites who don't care about music getting rich off of music.
4. Commercialized objectification of women beyond the point that I'm comfortable with. (You said "how can YOU" me in this instance.)
5. Reinforces bad stereo types about Latin folk.
6. It's so cheesy I need to check my cholesterol after hearing it."
(I still love you, Lenny)
My problem with that statement is that it focuses on certain types of rumba, and it is quite subjective, yet it comes across as a legitimate generalization about the entire genre. If you were to expose someone who had never heard rumba to the more sophisticated, tasteful rumbas out there, then the outlook would be different.
I know that opinions vary, but the way this thread started only contributes to misrepresenting or overly emphasizing one perspective, and making the whole category of music sound like it's worthless, which is not the case. I get it that you are entitled to your opinions, and I like how the posts started to look after I chimed in twice. At that point, the input became balanced, and came across more as subjective, independent opinions, rather than stereotyping of an entire genre in an unrepresentative manner.
I am sure that there are people out there (rumberos or not) who might say the same thing about sevillanas, or colombianas, or verdiales, or jazz, or rock, or pop, etc.
I just don't see how the likes of this thread really contribute anything useful. I find that if we're going to express something like where the thread supposedly was going from the start, then let us do so more clearly and preface that this is just one viewpoint and is subjective/an opinion.
I didn't take offense as that makes no sense if someone simply has a different opinion than mine. It doesn't make sense though to just come in and place a genre in a silo and try to make it sound as though that is where it truly belongs, when in fact it's just one point of view.
PS: Yes - the golpes can be controlled to stay on the protective plates. Perhaps use larger tapping plates if this remains to be an issue?
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Date May 16 2016 20:52:28
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BarkellWH
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RE: How can anyone not like rumba? (in reply to Piwin)
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I know that opinions vary, but the way this thread started only contributes to misrepresenting or overly emphasizing one perspective, and making the whole category of music sound like it's worthless, which is not the case. I get it that you are entitled to your opinions,
I fail to see how anyone could confuse Lenny's initial contribution to this thread as anything but a humorous jab. I certainly could see nothing that indicated he was trying to categorically consign all rumba to the "silo" or trash heap. Moreover, If every contributor must preface his comment with, "It is my opinion....," or "In my opinion...," I find that silly and redundant. I think that when someone states a position on rumba or anything else, we can safely assume it is his subjective opinion. No one on the Foro that I am aware of claims omnipotence in categorically judging music, regardless of genre.
Bill
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And the end of the fight is a tombstone white,
With the name of the late deceased,
And the epitaph drear, "A fool lies here,
Who tried to hustle the East."
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