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interbreeding...? 
http://www.nytimes.com/video/nyregion/100000004072504/fusing-flamenco-and-krump.html?module=WatchingPortal®ion=c-column-middle-span-region&pgType=Homepage&action=click&mediaId=wide&state=video&contentPlacement=5&version=internal&contentCollection=www.nytimes.com&contentId=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2Fvideo%2Fnyregion%2F100000004072504%2Ffusing-flamenco-and-krump.html&eventName=Watching-article-click
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Ruphus

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RE: interbreeding...? (in reply to eccullen) 
Like of hamsters with turtles?

Better to invent a whole new species then, me thinks.

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BarkellWH

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RE: interbreeding...? (in reply to eccullen) 
"Krump"? To even pronounce the word sounds as bad as the so-called dance looks--Gawdawful! Flamenco fused with hip-hop? I'm tempted to say it can only result in elevating hip-hop slightly, but it brings flamenco down to the level of "Krump," resulting in neither having any aesthetic dance value. Ugh! The whole mess is less the result of interbreeding than it is of a genetically-modified experiment gone awry.

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Sr. Martins

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RE: interbreeding...? (in reply to BarkellWH) 
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Flamenco fused with hip-hop? I'm tempted to say it can only result in elevating hip-hop slightly


Really? Like "my noise is better than your noise"?

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Leñador

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RE: interbreeding...? (in reply to eccullen) 
Yup, hate it a lot. Lame, my noise is indeed better than that noise.....

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RE: interbreeding...? (in reply to Leñador) 
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Yup, hate it a lot. Lame, my noise is indeed better than that noise.....

For the noise, I gotta agree.

But what I never figured with HipHop though, is whilst rapping needs no more skill than a mono-tonal voice and the ability to find words that rhyme, the dance has evolved into quite an art form that takes coordination, balance, control and acrobatic technique and when done well is bleedin' awesome.

When done badly, it's about as interesting as, well, flamenco when done badly.

Now compare that to head banging? Any head banging black belts out there?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 9 2015 0:37:50
 
Sr. Martins

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RE: interbreeding...? (in reply to eccullen) 
...and flamenco is just a bunch of out of tune screaming, noisy stomping and hand clapping?

No wonder this is foroquejio.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 9 2015 2:40:31
 
Leñador

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RE: interbreeding...? (in reply to eccullen) 
I'd agree that breakdancing can be pretty entertaining when done well. And I'd even say there's some MC's that take rapping to another level that takes incredible tongue dexterity and whit but not a single one has ever gotten radio play.
90% of that landscape is crap though. I'd rather hear noisy gypsys stomp, clap, and scream.

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Sr. Martins

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RE: interbreeding...? (in reply to Leñador) 
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but not a single one has ever gotten radio play


Radio play?

Oh boy..

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 9 2015 3:04:21
 
Dudnote

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RE: interbreeding...? (in reply to Sr. Martins) 
1:22 in the video that started all this - Rui I wanna see you pull off that move

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 9 2015 3:12:56
 
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RE: interbreeding...? (in reply to Sr. Martins) 
Interbreeding between species (for example between a horse and a donkey which produces a sterile mule) results in sterile offspring. That appears to be true in this interbreeding between "flamenco" (such as it is) and "krump." (which is aptly named). Sterile, Gawdawful, loathsome. A double "ugh."

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 9 2015 11:13:46
 
Sr. Martins

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RE: interbreeding...? (in reply to eccullen) 
I can't give two faqs about the moves or whatever..

What puzzles me is that you guys sound exactly like the flamenco opressors decades ago. It seems that people can only be tolerant towards their bellies, which makes it all sound hypocritical when the subject is terrorism and stuff like that.


Usually teenagers are the ones who feel the need to attack genres they "don't like". Oh well, carry on.

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RE: interbreeding...? (in reply to Sr. Martins) 
Perhaps I am the only one that plays Ratt in the car all the time? Im always polite enough to ask the passanger if they even like Ratt and they always say the same thing "oh, Rap? Sure of course I like some Rap."...then the look of shock as "Lack of Communication" or "Lay it down" kicks in.

http://youtu.be/plnVbaoF0nQ

Anyway, on topic, there is no fusion going on here...it's a theater show and the two dance styles are being juxtaposed thanks to the special guest artist. The short skinny guy is Carlos Menchaca, friend of mine we just had a show here in DC last month.

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JohnWalshGuitar

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RE: interbreeding...? (in reply to eccullen) 
I think it is lovely to see collaborations like this. Why not sure?...
Like Ricardo says its not really a fusion, more 2 styles happening on the same stage.
Each requires practice and skill.
Anyway, it is so much easier to criticise than to create.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 9 2015 15:36:22
 
BarkellWH

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RE: interbreeding...? (in reply to Sr. Martins) 
Regardless how one feels about hip-hop or rap, this "collaboration" between flamenco and "Krump" strikes me as more of a visual and aural cacophony. It is something like two radio stations, one classical the other rock, so close to each other on the dial that one signal overrides the other, creating nothing but interference. But that's just me. I know others think it's good stuff. To each his own, and to each his right to express an opinion on uploads posted.

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RE: interbreeding...? (in reply to BarkellWH) 
This is more than a meeting of artististic styles, it is a meeting of audiences too. Many will be seeing a style for tbe first time when they see that show.

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RE: interbreeding...? (in reply to Dudnote) 
Hey, easy on hip hop. There's more to it than that. Just like any art form, the mainstream version (and therefore the version that non aficionados see/hear) is often rubbish. It's a movement, an art form born out of oppression, developed on the streets and in the underground haunts of its practitioners..... Remind you of anything?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 9 2015 23:17:45
 
Dudnote

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RE: interbreeding...? (in reply to Stu) 
I get the feeling someone is going to say you don't get hiphop until you learn to appreciate rap. So go on, what's the cream of the genre? Who should I listen to?

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Richard Jernigan

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RE: interbreeding...? (in reply to eccullen) 
Not interbreeding, more like juxtaposition to illustrate the differing characters of the brothers in Antigone.

I kind of liked it.

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RE: interbreeding...? (in reply to Stu) 
quote:

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... born out of oppression, developed on the streets and in the underground haunts of its practitioners.....

And by three guys who wished to be artists yet without skills.
A birth condition showing to this day through monotonous cacophony and talking over loops instead of singing not by chance.
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In view of "creation" mentioned in another post above, the point precisely being that there is no creation in this project, the lame excursions indicating how little creativity there is today.

Most of creation these days is to be found in the realm of science and technology, which actually is on a fascinating high.

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RE: interbreeding...? (in reply to eccullen) 
I watched the whole video again(actually for the first time) to show the lady, I got the context and hate it less. Still can't stand the word "Krump" though, maybe it's cuts it's an east coast word lol
Anyone notice there's a black flamenco guitarist??? My black friend Milton spotted that. First time I've seen that. Anyone know his name or if he has videos??

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BarkellWH

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RE: interbreeding...? (in reply to Leñador) 
quote:

I watched the whole video again(actually for the first time) to show the lady, I got the context and hate it less.


Hate it less? Talk about faint praise, Lenny! I actually don't think understanding the context improves the mix. Nevertheless, I will say that "krump" does require more than average dexterity. Perhaps a balanced diet and using "krump" as an exercise routine three times a week is a good way to stay in shape.

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RE: interbreeding...? (in reply to eccullen) 
in many respects flamenco and rap/hip-hop (hereafter, rap-hop because I do not know the difference) have similar pathways. flamenco began with song and dance and used/uses knuckles on tables, palmas, canes on floors, dancing and rap-hop is primarily song and dance and uses-scratching records, sampling, etc. whether or not rap-hop artists begin to learn an instrument and then play it probably is where the two may diverge in their parallel pathways.
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Ruphus

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RE: interbreeding...? (in reply to eccullen) 
Rap you can do without musical skills. Try doing that with flamenco.

Comparing the two is so moot.
I mean billiard balls and apples have something in common too. They both are round and can be flipped across tables.

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RE: interbreeding...? (in reply to eccullen) 
quote:

interbreeding...?
sounds like someone is worried about diluting the purity of the blood of the master race

quote:

interbreeding...?
nah, just hangin out together....

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RE: interbreeding...? (in reply to Ruphus) 
ruphus, I suspect back in the day people in spain may have made the same comment about that gypsy music as you, and to be honest, myself, make of rap-hop. I personally do not find rap-hop to be my cup of tea but that is my opinion. The point is, the lines of development are similar but that does not necessarily mean the quality of the music is similar.
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RE: interbreeding...? (in reply to keith) 
I just don't consider "rap" to be music. I will admit that it takes a certain synchronized oral and mental dexterity to keep the rhythm going, but it lacks melody entirely. The rhythm, or repeated pattern of sound, is much more akin to that of a cattle auctioneer than to a singer or musician.

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RE: interbreeding...? (in reply to keith) 
Gotcha, Keith! :O)
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