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jg7238

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In a picado crisis...

I know a few of you think my picado is already good but I feel I'm in a crisis here...

I feel comfortable playing both ways.... I can only choose one I suppose but I'm starting to like the new way of playing... Oh, well. I'll have this figured out soon..... It's just a phase I'm going through right now...

Here is the Zyrab lick ....

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ToddK

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RE: In a picado crisis... (in reply to jg7238)

I dont see the difference, except for the thumb changing position slightly.

No reason to have to choose just one.

Another thing that stuck out to me was that the picado part is around
10 to 15 bpm slower than the arpeggio part, which makes the picado
part sound strained and like it's falling behind.

You have a great picado, so there's no reason to rush the arpeggio.
Even it out, it will come across alot better.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 16 2015 5:37:57

rombsix

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RE: In a picado crisis... (in reply to jg7238)

Tone sounds a bit brighter with the traditional position rather than the new way of playing, but I might be just imagining things... The way I heard the sound, I prefer the traditional technique.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 16 2015 5:39:12

Dudnote

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RE: In a picado crisis... (in reply to jg7238)

Forget both of them Juan, this is how to do it!!!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 16 2015 6:21:42

orsonw

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RE: In a picado crisis... (in reply to jg7238)

Giving picado advice to Juan, here goes!

In this video I think your old way sounds stronger and brighter, maybe because you only just started playing the new way?

I also play both ways, I don't think it needs to be one or the other. For me the main benefit of not resting the thumb is that it becomes much more obvious when there is excess tension in the thumb. (I see yours is flexing in the new technique). I also find it helps me learn to keep a constant hand position relative to the string as I move between 1st to 6th .

I practice without resting the thumb mainly to teach my hand to be free of excess tension. When playing properly I do play either way but now even when resting the thumb it's less tense and picado feels better and is faster and stronger.(But nowhere near as good as yours Juan!)

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 16 2015 10:21:33

jg7238

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RE: In a picado crisis... (in reply to orsonw)

I appreciate the comments. Interesting I must say. Todd , Yeah I was falling a bit behind with the picado in comparison to the arpeggio part but oddly I think it sounded more even with the new way of playing. It could also be I filed my nails too short. Ramzi, I thought tone wise it was brighter when I adjusted the hand. hmmm...@dudnote: He actually knows the piece better than me.

I'm just playing the end licks. Orson, thanks for your advice. You can learn from everyone I believe. The reason I think I'm adjusting is cause I have to cover less distance to the string. I never had a problem with this; again this could just be a phase I'm going through... But I have to say, I'm even impressed with the results given the amount of time I've been playing this way. (1 week).... Ok, woke up this morning again with Zyryab lick in mind and new hand position...(nails still are too short)

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 16 2015 14:28:39

Miguel de Maria

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RE: In a picado crisis... (in reply to jg7238)

...can't even tell the difference.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 16 2015 15:59:12

Ricardo

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RE: In a picado crisis... (in reply to jg7238)

no offense jaun, but you can't play a basic old picado piece like Panaderos with that weirdo looking Ruben thumb tuck. You need the thumb up on the string to play bass notes as needed. Get rid of that nonsense man.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 16 2015 17:24:10

Leñador

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RE: In a picado crisis... (in reply to jg7238)

Thumb tuck does seem like extra unnecessary movement......
If it ain't broke Juan......you know the rest.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 16 2015 17:36:29

jg7238

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RE: In a picado crisis... (in reply to Ricardo)

quote:

but you can't play a basic old picado piece like Panaderos with that weirdo looking Ruben thumb tuck. You need the thumb up on the string to play bass notes as needed. Get rid of that nonsense man.

I see what you mean. Like Orson said, it doesn't have to be one or the other. You can play both ways. A piece like Panaderos, the old way is definitely better although I can manage the other way.(I just tried it).... Thanks for chiming in Lenador. You have a point there. Anyway thanks guys!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 16 2015 18:50:44

Miguel de Maria

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RE: In a picado crisis... (in reply to Ricardo)

Funny, Tino taught me something similar to that thumb tuck.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 16 2015 22:49:24

Ricardo

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RE: In a picado crisis... (in reply to Miguel de Maria)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Miguel de Maria

Funny, Tino taught me something similar to that thumb tuck.

If I remember correct, he advocates what Niño de Pura does which is a light resting with side of thumb on basses to prevent them from sympathetically ringing...but I personally don't think it is a big deal, even with a super loud piezo guitar. And of course there are times you WANT the basses to ring while you are running a scale or whatever. Still it's a different deal than this thumb tucking thing IMO.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 17 2015 15:47:10

Miguel de Maria

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RE: In a picado crisis... (in reply to Ricardo)

Yes, he cited Nino de Pura. I'm glad I missed the boat on this whole thumb-tucking thing. I am pretty much switching to resting my thumb heavily on the bass string like you always say. I think it helps.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 18 2015 3:49:28

jg7238

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RE: In a picado crisis... (in reply to jg7238)

Ok, I think I really did go insane for a week with this.... I actually was not content with my speed. I know my tone and quality are quite good but I thought in the new position I was taking it to another level in terms of speed.... Ahhhh, it was all a fallacy.. I should not have to worry about more speed. Total silliness for the whole week. Thanks again for the feedback.....

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 18 2015 4:49:06

Stu

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RE: In a picado crisis... (in reply to jg7238)

picado crisis? hhaha

You need a good slap!

pull yourself together!...
otherwise I'll upload a video of my picado and then you'll see a real crisis

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 18 2015 9:35:11

ToddK

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RE: In a picado crisis... (in reply to jg7238)

Do you really think picado is what you really need to be spending alot
of time working on?
Seems like you have it down.
I think there are plenty of other flamenco fundamentals that you could
be working on. Phrasing/accenting, rasgueado, compas, etc..

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 19 2015 0:32:08

jg7238

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RE: In a picado crisis... (in reply to ToddK)

quote:

Do you really think picado is what you really need to be spending alot
of time working on?
Seems like you have it down.

Yes , I know I have it down Todd but I'm shooting for mega warp speed man. I don't want to hear that I've reached my limit.... I know I can go faster... Just have to unlock it.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 19 2015 2:08:35

Leñador

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RE: In a picado crisis... (in reply to jg7238)

Try steroids :) works for all manner of athletes, why not guitarthletes! :)

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 19 2015 4:22:38

mt1007

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RE: In a picado crisis... (in reply to jg7238)

JG

You have an awesome Picado. I'm sure you're an envy of many. At the end of the day though, it's what you transmit in your music that people truly remember. I'm not saying to give up on this mega warp speed, just give yourself a pat on the back once in a while. You've achieved more than most. Let us hear who you really are, don't let the picado define who you are musically.

With no dis-respect...

Looking forward to your music amigo....

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 19 2015 18:37:50