Starting on Rio De La Miel

Costs are rising and times are tough.
Please consider a donation to keep this
place going.

Welcome to one of the most active flamenco sites on the Internet. Guests can read most posts but if you want to participate click here to register.

This site is dedicated to the memory of Paco de Lucía, Ron Mitchell, Guy Williams, Linda Elvira, Philip John Lee, Craig Eros, Ben Woods, David Serva and Tom Blackshear who went ahead of us.

We receive 12,200 visitors a month from 200 countries and 1.7 million page impressions a year. To advertise on this site please contact us.

You are logged in as Guest

Users viewing this topic: none

Printable Version

All Forums >>Discussions >>General >>

Page: [1] 2 3 > >>

Message

<< Newer Topic Older Topic >>

Grisha

Posts: 1263
Joined: Mar. 17 2005

Starting on Rio De La Miel

Going to start learning it today. I wonder if it will sound okay without the percussion. I have to perform it in March in a very academic setting.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 31 2014 18:00:39

rombsix

Posts: 7815
Joined: Jan. 11 2006
From: Beirut, Lebanon

RE: Starting on Rio De La Miel (in reply to Grisha)

Keep us posted (videos, please) as you make progress.

_____________________________

Ramzi

http://www.youtube.com/rombsix

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 31 2014 18:58:44

Grisha

Posts: 1263
Joined: Mar. 17 2005

RE: Starting on Rio De La Miel (in reply to Grisha)

Videos may be a bit difficult to produce as I learn it. I have to learn it quickly - my goal is to be finished by this weekend. It will be a bit complicated, as I just finished "Se alza la luna" yesterday, and that's a lot of music to remember.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 31 2014 19:07:26

JohnWalshGuitar

Posts: 517
Joined: Aug. 10 2009

RE: Starting on Rio De La Miel (in reply to Grisha)

Hey Grisha,
I've played parts of it before with no percussion or palmas and it sounded ok. That being said, it certainly sounds better with rather than without, in my opinion.
By the way, I can't wait to hear that Cañizares piece. One of my all time favourites!

_____________________________

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 31 2014 19:52:03

Grisha

Posts: 1263
Joined: Mar. 17 2005

RE: Starting on Rio De La Miel (in reply to Grisha)

Thanks, John! I am sure it sounded beautiful through your hands.

Yes, that zapateado is wonderful. Extremely detailed.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 31 2014 20:48:01

rombsix

Posts: 7815
Joined: Jan. 11 2006
From: Beirut, Lebanon

RE: Starting on Rio De La Miel (in reply to Grisha)

quote:

Videos may be a bit difficult to produce as I learn it. I have to learn it quickly - my goal is to be finished by this weekend. It will be a bit complicated, as I just finished "Se alza la luna" yesterday, and that's a lot of music to remember.

No worries, hombre. I was just teasin' ya.

_____________________________

Ramzi

http://www.youtube.com/rombsix

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 31 2014 20:52:50

Grisha

Posts: 1263
Joined: Mar. 17 2005

RE: Starting on Rio De La Miel (in reply to Grisha)

Oh, got you! The reason I posted this at all is because at least one person wanted me to learn that piece and perhaps share a slow video. It took me a few years to get to it.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 31 2014 21:34:30

rombsix

Posts: 7815
Joined: Jan. 11 2006
From: Beirut, Lebanon

RE: Starting on Rio De La Miel (in reply to Grisha)

quote:

Oh, got you! The reason I posted this at all is because at least one person wanted me to learn that piece and perhaps share a slow video. It took me a few years to get to it.

Yeah, I was hoping we could get more of the falsetas in slow motion like the video you posted before. I was a bit surprised you said you needed to learn it because I was under the impression you already learned it when you posted that first falseta some months ago. In any case, best wishes in getting it down & nailing it at the academic setting. I'm sure it will rock, with or without percussion. Olé & happy new year!

_____________________________

Ramzi

http://www.youtube.com/rombsix

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 31 2014 22:29:05

Grisha

Posts: 1263
Joined: Mar. 17 2005

RE: Starting on Rio De La Miel (in reply to Grisha)

Thanks, Ramzi! I learned two falsetas from it before for Arash, but never touched them since. Don't remember a note.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 31 2014 22:32:38

Dudnote

Posts: 1805
Joined: Nov. 13 2007

RE: Starting on Rio De La Miel (in reply to Grisha)

Just out of interest, which (if any) partition(s) are you using?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 1 2015 5:14:16

Grisha

Posts: 1263
Joined: Mar. 17 2005

RE: Starting on Rio De La Miel (in reply to Grisha)

My right and left ears!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 1 2015 16:38:06

Mason

Posts: 12
Joined: Nov. 4 2014
From: Texas

RE: Starting on Rio De La Miel (in reply to Grisha)

Couldn't have been a better 1000th post haha

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 2 2015 2:14:50

Dudnote

Posts: 1805
Joined: Nov. 13 2007

RE: Starting on Rio De La Miel (in reply to Grisha)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Grisha

My right and left ears!

I feared as much. I'm thinking of trading mine in for a better pair, if you ever decide to auction yours on ebay I'll bid as high as the next guy ；-)

Enjoy Rio de la Miel - I greatly look forward to any videos that come out of this project.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 3 2015 3:36:41

Grisha

Posts: 1263
Joined: Mar. 17 2005

RE: Starting on Rio De La Miel (in reply to Grisha)

Finished. In the last 2 months I learned these:

“Villa rosa” (Minera) – Rafael Riqueni
“Tio Arango” (Soleá) – Vicente Amigo
“Se alza la luna” (Zapateado) – Juan Manuel Cañizares
“Montiño” (Fandango) – Paco de Lucía
“Río de la miel” (Bulerías) – Paco de Lucía
"Plaza alta" (Soleá) - Paco de Lucía

I have now 2 weeks to practice them for the concert.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 8 2015 1:14:15

rombsix

Posts: 7815
Joined: Jan. 11 2006
From: Beirut, Lebanon

RE: Starting on Rio De La Miel (in reply to Grisha)

quote:

I have now 2 weeks to practice them for the concert.

Plenty of time.

_____________________________

Ramzi

http://www.youtube.com/rombsix

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 8 2015 2:49:19

Guest

[Deleted] (in reply to Grisha)

[Deleted by Admins]

_____________________________

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 8 2015 18:14:34

Grisha

Posts: 1263
Joined: Mar. 17 2005

RE: Starting on Rio De La Miel (in reply to Grisha)

In Moscow, Tchaikovsky Hall. I am participating in a guitar festival.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 8 2015 18:41:09

Ricardo

Posts: 14822
Joined: Dec. 14 2004
From: Washington DC

RE: Starting on Rio De La Miel (in reply to Grisha)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Grisha

In Moscow, Tchaikovsky Hall. I am participating in a guitar festival.

will you get to visit home in st. petersburg as well? exciting to travel man!

_____________________________

CD's and transcriptions available here:
www.ricardomarlow.com

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 8 2015 18:48:38

Grisha

Posts: 1263
Joined: Mar. 17 2005

RE: Starting on Rio De La Miel (in reply to Grisha)

No, not this time. It's too expensive!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 8 2015 19:04:06

ToddK

Posts: 2961
Joined: Dec. 6 2004

RE: Starting on Rio De La Miel (in reply to Grisha)

I would wish you luck, but you dont need it.

These pieces are all terrific. I'm sure you will nail them all.

Cheers!
TK

_____________________________

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 8 2015 19:11:01

Grisha

Posts: 1263
Joined: Mar. 17 2005

RE: Starting on Rio De La Miel (in reply to Grisha)

Thanks!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 8 2015 19:16:42

jg7238

Posts: 2869
Joined: May 11 2009

RE: Starting on Rio De La Miel (in reply to Grisha)

quote:

Finished. In the last 2 months I learned these:

“Villa rosa” (Minera) – Rafael Riqueni
“Tio Arango” (Soleá) – Vicente Amigo
“Se alza la luna” (Zapateado) – Juan Manuel Cañizares
“Montiño” (Fandango) – Paco de Lucía
“Río de la miel” (Bulerías) – Paco de Lucía
"Plaza alta" (Soleá) - Paco de Lucía

Very nice... Montiño is a tough one even with a capo on the second fret.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 8 2015 19:41:09

minorthang

Posts: 222
Joined: Dec. 25 2014

RE: Starting on Rio De La Miel (in reply to Grisha)

wow , im a bit poor yet im up for the bid.

give me ya ears ill give you too left hands !!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 9 2015 4:31:27

Grisha

Posts: 1263
Joined: Mar. 17 2005

RE: Starting on Rio De La Miel (in reply to jg7238)

quote:

ORIGINAL: jg7238

Very nice... Montiño is a tough one even with a capo on the second fret.

Do you play this piece, Juan? It is, indeed, impossible. That left hand pinky work is insane.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 9 2015 14:44:47

jg7238

Posts: 2869
Joined: May 11 2009

RE: Starting on Rio De La Miel (in reply to Grisha)

quote:

Do you play this piece, Juan? It is, indeed, impossible. That left hand pinky work is insane.

That was exactly what I was referring to. The left hand pinky movement in this piece kind of put me off a bit but I was trying to play it with the capo on the first fret. Maybe I'll take another look at it with the capo on second. I'm sure you'll gobble it up though even without cejilla.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 9 2015 16:36:12

ToddK

Posts: 2961
Joined: Dec. 6 2004

RE: Starting on Rio De La Miel (in reply to Grisha)

Grisha, i dont know if you'll be back to this thread, i know you're busy,
but i was wondering, do you do your own transcriptions by ear, or
do you use sheets?

_____________________________

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 9 2015 23:14:23

Aretium

Posts: 277
Joined: Oct. 23 2012

RE: Starting on Rio De La Miel (in reply to Grisha)

Grisha replied to me on YT that he will be performing this in a few months.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 9 2015 23:28:53

Grisha

Posts: 1263
Joined: Mar. 17 2005

RE: Starting on Rio De La Miel (in reply to Grisha)

Thanks, Juan.

Todd, I always use my ears. I don't read tabs, and sheet music for flamenco is kind of silly. I just purchased AmazingSlowDowner, and it's great. I used VLC player before.

Aretium, I will be performing it in exactly 2 weeks and one day.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 10 2015 17:21:12

guitarbuddha

Posts: 2970
Joined: Jan. 4 2007

RE: Starting on Rio De La Miel (in reply to Grisha)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Grisha

Thanks, Juan.

Todd, I always use my ears. I don't read tabs, and sheet music for flamenco is kind of silly. I just purchased AmazingSlowDowner, and it's great. I used VLC player before.

Aretium, I will be performing it in exactly 2 weeks and one day.

Hi Grisha. Would you say that growing up with a very fine classical guitar teacher and sharing with him the work of transcription from a very young age helped you along in this or is it something anyone could do from scratch on their own in their 20s-40s ?

Like everyone else on this thread I am pretty certain that you will do the music, the composers, your father,everyone here and all of Russia proud in Moscow. Have a great trip.

D.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 10 2015 18:24:19

Grisha

Posts: 1263
Joined: Mar. 17 2005

RE: Starting on Rio De La Miel (in reply to guitarbuddha)

quote:

ORIGINAL: guitarbuddha

Hi Grisha. Would you say that growing up with a very fine classical guitar teacher and sharing with him the work of transcription from a very young age helped you along in this or is it something anyone could do from scratch on their own in their 20s-40s ?

Like everyone else on this thread I am pretty certain that you will do the music, the composers, your father,everyone here and all of Russia proud in Moscow. Have a great trip.

D.

Thanks for believing in me! I need a little confidence boost right now.

I think there are two things that help me do what I do. One is being a perfectionist. And another one having a lot of experience learning by ear. I started doing this when I was about 8 or 9. With my father's help my first piece, Sabicas' buleria Temas gitanos, took us about 6 months to learn. Now I can do that in a couple of hours. I think, it's just practice and attention to details. And knowing what's possible and what's likely.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 10 2015 19:19:30