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RE: "Luthiers share your creati... (in reply to estebanana)
My hat is off to you, then. That is some mighty fine work there. ( Aside of Stephen being right about the plantilla too.)
I tried Norman´s very kindly provided programm too. However, it seems one needs to have comprehended rosette making first in order to wrap one´s head around the programm.
While playing around with eventual rosette designs, besides, I discovered how effects can be gained even just with rough squares, if only there is an estimation for realistic proportions.
See in this example the dancer as she moves from right to left you also see her naturally somewhat turning laterally ( away from you). Innit funny? :O)
Ruphus
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RE: "Luthiers share your creati... (in reply to Ruphus)
Computer modeling rosettes has limits and at some point the technical facility leads the project into diminishing returns.
Too much detail; You can make an image of George Bush Sr. and Mickey Mouse drinking tequila while playing beach volleyball with buxom women. But it will look good to Grateful Dead followers high on bad acid in the parking lot of stadium. On a Spanish guitar not so much.
The devil is in the details- too much of the wrong kind of detail just becomes intricate and does not speak visually.
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RE: "Luthiers share your creati... (in reply to Andy Culpepper)
Just completed this negra (which is available, by the way). My most recent customer, for the blanca I posted last, just called to say it is perfect in every way and that I should increase my prices. Hmm....
This may be my favorite rosette.
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RE: "Luthiers share your creati... (in reply to jshelton5040)
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Is that Pao Ferro?
Thanks guys.
John--I think Pao Ferro is one of the names for it. I have been calling it Bolivian rosewood. I got it from your recommended place, Akustikwood, and they call it "Santos Rosewood (Morado - Santos Palisander), botanical name Machaerium scleroxylon." Now I can't remember why I called it Bolivian rosewood.
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RE: "Luthiers share your creati... (in reply to Anders Eliasson)
Thanks for the feedback, guys. Yes, I was thinking I should have countered with, "tips gladly accepted." But I'm not planning to raise my prices any time soon.
RE: "Luthiers share your creati... (in reply to SephardRick)
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This they always do when they have payed.
Maybe not all of us Your pricing is just fine on those masterpieces.
The logic of this reply seems not clear to me. The first sentence should logically mean that you did unlike mentioned beforehand, hence you adviced a price raise before having paid. ( Correct?) Whereas, the second sentence seems to indicate that there was no raise due. -
RE: "Luthiers share your creati... (in reply to Ruphus)
here´s #117 rosette. Blodwood, ebony and black ebony. with rally stripes from Madinter. It should be available soon. Its a 2A Cedar top, med.cypress blanca.
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RE: "Luthiers share your creati... (in reply to Anders Eliasson)
Impressive!
I don't how you do it. Fitting a square design into a circular pattern is quiet a balancing act. It is hard enough just drawing it on a sheet of paper and making it look right. But to cut wood pieces into a mosaic pattern and come out symmetrical is quiet a piece of work.
Anders, your artistic skills are put to good use on your masterpieces. They are a work of art!
RE: "Luthiers share your creati... (in reply to Ruphus)
Some great work being posted here. Ethan, your guitars are looking great lately. How is that Santos Rosewood tonally? I've been thinking about ordering some. I don't love that it's flatsawn but I have used flatsawn Brazilian...
Here's me playing a little tangos on a new instrument:
RE: "Luthiers share your creati... (in reply to Andy Culpepper)
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Some great work being posted here. Ethan, your guitars are looking great lately. How is that Santos Rosewood tonally?
I have a Pau Ferro negra. I'd say tonally it's like a rosewood but without the overtones, which IMO makes it a great tonewood for flamenco. The trebles aren't as bright though, and the basses don't have as much sustain.
The downside is that it's on the heavy side of things and is supposed to be nasty for allergies for luthiers.
Just completed this negra (which is available, by the way). My most recent customer, for the blanca I posted last, just called to say it is perfect in every way and that I should increase my prices. Hmm....
Drooling over pictures is quite a different thing than getting a chance to test drive. It was a pleasure to spend a few minutes with your Blanca in Sanlucar last summer, excellent instrument.
RE: "Luthiers share your creati... (in reply to Ruphus)
#116 is a 2A euro spruce top blanca with back and sides of Canadian Cypress. There are more pictures and a video in the classifieds section and on my blog.
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RE: "Luthiers share your creati... (in reply to Anders Eliasson)
What is Canadian cypress? Do you mean Chamaecyparis nootkatensis? Commonly called yellow cedar around here. It's a beautiful wood, and a beautiful tree.
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RE: "Luthiers share your creati... (in reply to Ruphus)
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Chamaecyparis nootkatensis
Yes, thats it. Another tree with confusing and misleading popular names.
Chamaecyparis nootkatensis is not a cypress and absolutely not a cedar. Its actually in the Thuya family. Has been in the cypress family and there is still some disputes about where it should be.
I´ve built around 8 - 10 guitars with this wood. Both 1A and 2A guitars and I really like the sound. I even like the smell of it which is quite peculiar. The guitar which I built for Simon in the "El guitarrero" documentary is with CDN cypress.
This one is the last one with CDN cypress. I wont build more. Import has become to expensive and I can get Mediterranean cypres for the same price and thats what most clients want.
RE: "Luthiers share your creati... (in reply to Anders Eliasson)
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This one is the last one with CDN cypress. I wont build more. Import has become to expensive and I can get Mediterranean cypres for the same price and thats what most clients want.
Here's the Spruce/Canadian Cypress blanca
Cedar/Cypress blanca
They both sound great.
I really like cedar soundboards on blancas. Kind of perplexed they are not that popular.
RE: "Luthiers share your creati... (in reply to tijeretamiel)
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I really like cedar soundboards on blancas. Kind of perplexed they are not that popular.
I like them to and that 117 guitar really plays well. The problem is that people "think" they dont like cedar. They have read it on the internet, so when they try a guitar with a cedar top, they already believe they wont like it. Another problem is that many builders dont control cedar to well on flamenco guitars. Often they end up being to soft and muddy or they have to much of that "cedar ring" in its voice.
RE: "Luthiers share your creati... (in reply to Ruphus)
So here you have the pictures of the 2A cedartop blanca. Video above.
#117 is a 2A blanca with western red cedar soundboard and mediterranean cypress backs and sides. Scale is 650mm and nut is 52mm. The guitar is French polished. There are a few more photos and a video on my blog and in the classifieds section. Taste is very personal, but I personally think this one is very pretty.
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RE: "Luthiers share your creati... (in reply to Anders Eliasson)
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ORIGINAL: Anders Eliasson
I like them to and that 117 guitar really plays well. The problem is that people "think" they dont like cedar. They have read it on the internet, so when they try a guitar with a cedar top, they already believe they wont like it. Another problem is that many builders dont control cedar to well on flamenco guitars. Often they end up being to soft and muddy or they have to much of that "cedar ring" in its voice.
I've heard cedar is more difficult to build with, not just for the practical reasons (easy to ding while building).
Of the traditional respected names in flamenco luthiery, some of my favourites in terms of sound are the old cedar Ramirez blancas.
Your guitar 117 looks very nice, I'd love to try in in the flesh.
RE: "Luthiers share your creati... (in reply to Ruphus)
Thanks both of you. I dont think cedar is more complicated to build with. You just have to deal with it on its own premisses. When I final thickness a soundboard, I´m not so interested in the thickness. Much more in the flexibility and weight. When doing this and the other (spruce top) soundboard, I ended up with around 125 grams prior to soundhole cutting and the spruce was at 2,1mm while the cedar was at 2,5mm. Thats actually pretty thin for cedar, but its a very high grade cedar top. I dont have inferior grades of cedar.
RE: "Luthiers share your creati... (in reply to Ruphus)
My latest Port Orford Blanca and probably the last. I built through twenty sets of it and it's all gone.
Well I've been told by an expert on the Foro I can't build or play the guitar so you'll have to suffer though my chicken scratches and cat pawing of chords. Maybe some day I'll learn, in the mean time I'll just send them to those who can play.
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Your pricing is just fine on those masterpieces.
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