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RE: Traditional flamenco is dead
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z6
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RE: Traditional flamenco is dead (in reply to mark74)
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Is it really so rare? What about Ricardo? What about Grisha? They ain't exactly needing no deal with the devil. What gives with this 'no names' lark? Mark is funny. I reckon the fate of traditional flamenco is secure, inasmuch as it is opinion, no matter the pedigree of the source, even against Mark's ferocious onslaught. I don't think it's right to accuse Mark of anything but playfulness. One might as easily wonder if the price of 'deep knowledge' is ending up shaking one's walking stick at ignorant passers by. All this gitano blood stuff is mumbo jumbo. It's delusional. It may be that cultural feedback alters physical phenomena but I cannot believe that such a manifestation could not, even among large and disparate populations (even perhaps this forum, for example) be present in black and white and rich and poor and yanks and even Scottish gits, such as myself. It is nothing that good company in the right times and places, wouldn't fix. It is precious all right. But it is available. It all depends on how tightly one pulls the noose. Killing it would perhaps require people to get put off. I think Ricardo 'has it'. And Grisha. Both at wildly different places but not simply enough to get in the club, but to add new branches; new blood. Others here have posted very original music. Wonderful stuff. But am I bad press for these guys? Given that all I can do is play along with a recording to be sure I'm 'in'. But a few evenings of merriment should do the trick. I get embarrassed and someone says that's nice, but listen, try this, watch that. It is deep. It is complex. But because it is about natural rhythm everything 'about it' has to be felt. I'm not suggesting people are not perfectly welcome to tell others they are killing flamenco but we need to balance the accusation with the fact that it just ain't so. So, how come it's all so 'unattainable'? What's a gitano? A gypsy right? Those guys been in Andalucia for generations. I'm a gypsy. I've lived all over the shop. Maybe I'm an original? A fifty-five year old with rhythm but a two-year old's flamenco perceptions. Maybe the travel and the guitar qualifies me for entry at a future date? I'd guess there are thousands, hundreds of thousands, or more, people with the latent abilities of sufficient standard to blow the club open a little bit. ( How abouts a tiny bit as small as a single gene? Who knows?) Incidentally, I once spent a drunken evening with a 'pure blood' gitano and I argued that I was more gitano than him. He wasn't offended in the least. Traditional flamenco is a working men's club on a Saturday night. And if you believe that is an insult to flamenco I'll meet you on Saturday at the nearest working men's club. Please don't get angry or insult me or threaten to leave. This is all digital and in our heads. (And I scare easily.) So, who thinks Ricardo ain't, you know, that thayng, wotsit, wot nobody never gets to have? And I'm fascinated as to how the wrong answer could even bear an attempt at justification. This is interesting to me cause I need to learn. Bust it open peeps. And, in the case of the two professional musicians whom I named, out loud, in public and fully-clothed, like everyone I have ever known does, when they talk about music ( except sometimes the clothes), should we not be trumpeting their craft? Indeed, are they not the evidence? The mojo trumping the mumbo? Merry Christmas everyone... Seriously.
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Date Dec. 19 2013 16:32:11
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Arash
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Joined: Aug. 9 2006
From: Iran (living in Germany)
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RE: Traditional flamenco is dead (in reply to Anders Eliasson)
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ORIGINAL: Anders Eliasson The best way of teaching a kid flamenco would be to place the kid in a house with many other kids, and a noisy and powerfull andalucian woman singing and dancing every day. Then the kid wouldnt even need a guitar or any other instrument. The kid would be flamenco. ole ok, a serious comment: The advantage comes from one thing only: The enviroment around you and what you were doing as a kid and teenager. Thats true. The problem is that even in gypsy famillies, most kids are not interested to be the next cantaors (with cante the problem is bigger than guitar). Even most gypsy kids are busy with facebook and whatsapp, or want to be a pop star, like most other todays kids. This is a universal problem, not only a "flamenco" problem. As a kid, you always absorb and learn things (anything, be it guitar, cante, or whatever) MUCH MUCH deeper (and of course faster) than let say a 25 years old grownup. On the other hand, flamenco is much more global and spreaded all around the world (also through todays technology, mp3, youtube, etc.). Thats a positive development. You could even say Cante in general is now more popular in the world than in the past. But the quality and important nuances and details might suffer because some essence is lost because of lack of interest within the flamenco gypsy community itself and because in those important teenage years, it doesnt get passed from padre or uncle, etc. to the kid. This might be a bold statement, but Gypsies are the "main culprit", not so much the fakemencos, foreigners, etc. Its mostly their own responsibility the preserve their own heritage. Of course, you can't force kids to do something. Maybe thats a natural development. On hand hand its a pity, on the other hand some new interesting new things might happen, who knows.
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