z6 -> RE: Traditional flamenco is dead (Dec. 19 2013 16:32:11)
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Is it really so rare? What about Ricardo? What about Grisha? They ain't exactly needing no deal with the devil. What gives with this 'no names' lark? Mark is funny. I reckon the fate of traditional flamenco is secure, inasmuch as it is opinion, no matter the pedigree of the source, even against Mark's ferocious onslaught. I don't think it's right to accuse Mark of anything but playfulness. One might as easily wonder if the price of 'deep knowledge' is ending up shaking one's walking stick at ignorant passers by. All this gitano blood stuff is mumbo jumbo. It's delusional. It may be that cultural feedback alters physical phenomena but I cannot believe that such a manifestation could not, even among large and disparate populations (even perhaps this forum, for example) be present in black and white and rich and poor and yanks and even Scottish gits, such as myself. It is nothing that good company in the right times and places, wouldn't fix. It is precious all right. But it is available. It all depends on how tightly one pulls the noose. Killing it would perhaps require people to get put off. I think Ricardo 'has it'. And Grisha. Both at wildly different places but not simply enough to get in the club, but to add new branches; new blood. Others here have posted very original music. Wonderful stuff. But am I bad press for these guys? Given that all I can do is play along with a recording to be sure I'm 'in'. But a few evenings of merriment should do the trick. I get embarrassed and someone says that's nice, but listen, try this, watch that. It is deep. It is complex. But because it is about natural rhythm everything 'about it' has to be felt. I'm not suggesting people are not perfectly welcome to tell others they are killing flamenco but we need to balance the accusation with the fact that it just ain't so. So, how come it's all so 'unattainable'? What's a gitano? A gypsy right? Those guys been in Andalucia for generations. I'm a gypsy. I've lived all over the shop. Maybe I'm an original? A fifty-five year old with rhythm but a two-year old's flamenco perceptions. Maybe the travel and the guitar qualifies me for entry at a future date? I'd guess there are thousands, hundreds of thousands, or more, people with the latent abilities of sufficient standard to blow the club open a little bit. ( How abouts a tiny bit as small as a single gene? Who knows?) Incidentally, I once spent a drunken evening with a 'pure blood' gitano and I argued that I was more gitano than him. He wasn't offended in the least. Traditional flamenco is a working men's club on a Saturday night. And if you believe that is an insult to flamenco I'll meet you on Saturday at the nearest working men's club. Please don't get angry or insult me or threaten to leave. This is all digital and in our heads. (And I scare easily.) So, who thinks Ricardo ain't, you know, that thayng, wotsit, wot nobody never gets to have? And I'm fascinated as to how the wrong answer could even bear an attempt at justification. This is interesting to me cause I need to learn. Bust it open peeps. And, in the case of the two professional musicians whom I named, out loud, in public and fully-clothed, like everyone I have ever known does, when they talk about music ( except sometimes the clothes), should we not be trumpeting their craft? Indeed, are they not the evidence? The mojo trumping the mumbo? Merry Christmas everyone... Seriously.
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