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britguy
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This may sound like a dumb question for the techies in here, but is there any kind of method or programme available that will convert notation to TAB?
A coupler of years ago, the late Ron Purcell sent me a copy - from the IGFA library - of the music score that Vicente Gomez played in the movie "Snows of Kilimanjaro", and I'm having trouble getting it just right. One reason being the notation is difficult to follow (for me), and the other being that Vicente actually wrote this piece for two guitars, which he overdubbed for the sound track.
Ron told me I could probably figure out how to play it on one guitar, but after a couple of years trying, I'm still not sure exactly what notes to play.
If anybody can offer any help I'd certainly appreciate it. I've been trying to learn this piece since I first saw the movie in 1958. That's a long time to be trying to learn a piece. . .
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Date Jan. 25 2013 15:33:36
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RE: Transcribing notation to TAB??? (in reply to britguy)
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The best solution for transcribing TAB by my opinion is Finale. It compatible to SmartScore which is a scan software reading score sheets in standard notation. This software shows what it has not recognized, so it can be corrected. After the correction is done, the scanned sheet is being transfered into Finale. In Finale you can set up the layout, adding TAB lines and generate a rhythm tablature automatically. In the older version I have, fingerings, barre symbols and specific guitar signs must be added manually. If this is done, you can hide the standard notation and replace the TAB lines for its final layout.
While generating the tablature automatically, only the lowest possible fret is used. If some passages are played in an absolute position, this range can be selected. For such parts mostly the correct strings are chosen automatically and you save a lot of time in the follow-up. The follow-up of correting tones from a specific string to another is being done fast and easy by clicking the fretnumber und pull it onto another string. The correct fretnumber appears automatically.
As I had offered scoring service in the 1990th years, I made some classical TAB-only transkriptions complete with fingerings and all what you see in a standard notation sheet. Although later Finale versions produce a more comfortable processing and a more eye-friendly sheet, my versions look very good, too. Especially they doesn´t look that lousy like GuitarPro. For classical Tabs I´ve come over to do it by hand. If desired, I´ll post a sample page of Asturias (Albéniz) as PDF, that was printed out in Finale from the 90th (then scanned as a picture and generated as pdf) - just see what a good result can look like, not to grab an order 
Saludos
Bernd
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Date Jan. 26 2013 1:19:17
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britguy
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RE: Transcribing notation to TAB??? (in reply to guitarbuddha)
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the best solution would be to work on the piece with a teacher who understands and plays flamenco but can also read
Yes, I completely agree. That would be ideal. And I do know a teacher who could probably do that, but he's away out of town for an extended period.
Actually this piece is not really flamenco at all. It is based on Vicente Gomez' earlier composition; "Granada Arabe" (Zambra Mora) - which he modified somewhat to fit the (pseudo-flamenco?) dancing scene in the movie.
But its very hard to follow the guitar in the soundtrack, due to the intense dialogue between Gregory Peck and Ava Gardner. That's why I went to so much trouble to get a copy of the score. Also the score is written for two guitars, which makes it even harder to pick out the exact notes.
The only sound recording I've been able to locate is the actual movie, which is available here:
http://archive.org/details/Kilimanjaro?start=1319.5
The dancing scene starts at 48:30, right after the bullfight. Lasts only a few minutes. . .
If anyone has any comments, I'd be interested.
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Date Jan. 26 2013 15:01:03
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NormanKliman
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RE: Transcribing notation to TAB??? (in reply to britguy)
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If anyone has any comments, I'd be interested.
I respectfully suggest that by focusing on this bit of music...you're setting yourself up for frustration. There are two guitars, there's no indication as to the accuracy of the transcription and, most importantly, there isn't a clear recording of your targeted music. Furthermore, it's not a style you already have under your belt, is it? One of the premises of teaching/learning is to use familar material to learn new forms.
I suggest you choose something similar of which there are better quality recordings and/or reliable transcriptions. The Vicente Gómez recording you mentioned seems to me to be a more logical choice (I've just had a quick listen to "Granada Árabe" and the sixth string is tuned to D).
I think it would be best to spend some time working out your favorite bits and pieces of this style (zambra, danza mora, there are several names) from different guitarists. After a year at the most (and what's one year after waiting for 55 years?  ) you should be able to play the style perfectly well, and it'd be a much more flamenco way of learning than studying an entire piece. I'm sure that if you upload to this forum your targeted bits and pieces, you'll get more feedback than you really want or need. I for one will lend a hand with something like that. But I wouldn't touch that soundtrack/transcription with a 10-foot pole.
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Date Jan. 26 2013 19:29:59
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britguy
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RE: Transcribing notation to TAB??? (in reply to NormanKliman)
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by focusing on this bit of music...you're setting yourself up for frustration.
Of course, you are absolutely right.
Since about 1958 (on and off ) I've been farting around with this piece, trying to get it just the way it sounded in the movie.
I actually have the basic theme off pretty close right now; from the music I got from Ron Purcell. But not exactly as I'd like it to sound. As you point out; it's two guitars playing, and I'm certainly not (and never will be ) a Vicente Gomez! But I thought I'd try getting a TAB to see if I could improve my interpretation of the score notation. Maybe it's just a waste of time and energy, better spent elsewhere. . .
I think your advice it well taken. Maybe I should just be content with it the way I have it now, and move on.
Incidentally, I am suprized you mentioned that the "Granada Arabe" recording you heard has a dropped D tuning? Was this just from listening to the recording? The music I have shows the original "Granada Arabe" (copyright 1940 American Academy of Music Inc. )to be in the key of E minor, the same as the movie score. No mention on the copy of tuning the 6th to D.
Curious. . .
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Date Jan. 26 2013 20:56:01
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NormanKliman
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RE: Transcribing notation to TAB??? (in reply to britguy)
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Incidentally, I am suprized you mentioned that the "Granada Arabe" recording you heard has a dropped D tuning? Was this just from listening to the recording? The music I have shows the original "Granada Arabe" (copyright 1940 American Academy of Music Inc. )to be in the key of E minor, the same as the movie score. No mention on the copy of tuning the 6th to D.
Yeah, just from listening. It's very obvious, but sometimes track titles get changed. This one's a zambra/danza mora, though, definitely. Anyway, the file's too large to upload here. If you indicate an e-mail address, I'll send it to you as an attachment. I've got a bunch of recordings of Manuel Bonet, as well, so let me know if you're interested.
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Date Jan. 26 2013 21:16:33
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britguy
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RE: Transcribing notation to TAB??? (in reply to NormanKliman)
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I've got a bunch of recordings of Manuel Bonet, as well, so let me know if you're interested.
WHAT!!! you have recordings of my old teacher, Manolo Bonet!!! Where on earth did you get those?
I had my very first lessons from Manolo when he lived on Calle de Tribulete in Madrid in 1958. He taught me basic Soleares and Alegrias rasguedos and falsetas; with lots of : "NO Hombre, NO NO NO!!! and would bang his stick on the floor. But when you got it right it was : "Eso, Eso, Eso," and kissed his fingertips. With Manolo you always knew when you got it right. . . and he had a beautifull old Santos Hernandez.
I'd love to have some of those recordings. I'll PM you.
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Date Jan. 26 2013 23:04:50
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I thought you might enjoy hearing that. Just to be clear, they're not solo guitar but his accompaniment of several singers in MP3 copies of 78-rpm recordings from the early 1920s to the early 1950s. There are 43 of them, so there are several different styles (no zambra/danza mora, though). 
