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How fast is your picado?
80 - 90 bpm
  10% (5)
90 - 100 bpm
  8% (4)
100 - 110 bpm
  6% (3)
110 - 120 bpm
  20% (10)
120 - 130 bpm
  4% (2)
130 - 140 bpm
  2% (1)
140 - 150 bpm
  14% (7)
150 - 160 bpm
  4% (2)
160 - 170 bpm
  6% (3)
170 - 180 bpm
  10% (5)
180 - 190 bpm
  4% (2)
190 - 200 bpm
  4% (2)
More than 200 bpm
  6% (3)


Total Votes : 49
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vuduchyld

 

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RE: How fast is your picado? (in reply to rombsix) 
Thanks for the flickado video, KJS! Much appreciated. Think I'll leave that one alone for a while.

Rombsix, I think what he means is that you play frets 0-1-2-3 chromatic all the way from high e to low e and back. Then you play frets 1-2-3-4...then 2-3-4-5....then 3-4-5-6....all the way to 9-10-11-12 and then back again. But I'm not sure.
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vuduchyld

 

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RE: How fast is your picado? (in reply to vuduchyld) 
I just checked to 90-100 button. That's four notes per click of the metronome.

But I'm not really sure how that chromatic run translates to actual playing. I'm sure there are plenty of A minor runs that I'd play quicker than that, due to lots of bluegrass playing in C major. Same with E minor, which I haven't really come across quite as much yet in my limited flamenco playing.
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El Kiko

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RE: How fast is your picado? (in reply to vuduchyld) 
just looking at the results so far ... interesting, if I were an analysist I would say it's kind of shelving out .as if you get to 120 ish not so bad and then get blocked which needs the extra effort to make the next jump that will get you to the 150 mark and then you stick again, hence the next little bottle neck,. more effort needed to make the next jump again to 180 ..
And who are those kings in the 200 plus range ?, a little more effort from them and they will be so fast we won't actually be able to hear them ! I suppose they go to the back of the queue then.....

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rombsix

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RE: How fast is your picado? (in reply to El Kiko) 
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a little more effort from them and they will be so fast we won't actually be able to hear them ! I suppose they go to the back of the queue then.....


Look out, Grisha and JG.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 1 2011 14:54:10
 
vuduchyld

 

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RE: How fast is your picado? (in reply to vuduchyld) 
So, at 150 beats per minute...and if you're playing 4 notes per beat, you're playing 600 notes per minute...or TEN PER SECOND? Wow!
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Florian

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RE: How fast is your picado? (in reply to vuduchyld) 
i have no idea ...never measured it...one day il figure out how to do it ...also depends at what time of the day and how much warm up i have had, most times at gigs you do it cold..maybe 10 minutes warm up...sometimes i reach impressive speeds...unfortunately its always late late at night when i been playing and warming up for hours and noone can ever hear me ...


i wish my best picado ( the one at night) could be my everyday picado...then again maybe its not even a matter of speed just how comfortable it feels....but i dont need it any faster now, atm its enough for what i need it for...for my practice i am just focusing on the quality and try to better that

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p00nani

 

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RE: How fast is your picado? (in reply to vuduchyld) 
hi i play for about 100 - 110 stady playing the do major chromaticly up to 12 and back wich takes about 2 and a half minute's without getting tired. and just a single up and down on a scale i can do alot faster up to 144 - 170 on alegria. that's annoys me that i cant get higher lets say 120 with that chromatic scale i get tired pretty fast and cant finsh the run. but it is only practice and that is not that much practice, i mean it takes only 2 and a half minute's to make one run than you practice some other technic's than rest than play compositions and do some more runs. in an hour you can get alot of practice that way but it must be every day.

if you want to massure your speed just play a scale with 16 notes per 4 beats
and find your comfy speed, that is your speed
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rombsix

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RE: How fast is your picado? (in reply to p00nani) 
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but it must be every day.


That's the secret.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 3 2011 21:43:34
 
p00nani

 

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RE: How fast is your picado? (in reply to vuduchyld) 
rombsix how do you practice exept the every rutine i mean do you paly a single scale
up and down up and down or you practice it on phrases from paco de lucia or some other player ?

i practice it on like different major and minor scales but not prashes from musical parts. i mean i learn every day falsetas but i just play them as part of a falseta but i never practice them independetly.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 4 2011 9:39:45
 
John O.

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RE: How fast is your picado? (in reply to vuduchyld) 
I'm up to 180bpm with three fingers, two fingers isn't worth mentioning, I suck at that...

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 4 2011 10:11:24
 
rombsix

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RE: How fast is your picado? (in reply to John O.) 
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two fingers isn't worth mentioning, I suck at that...


Then just click the speed you can get to using TWO fingers on the poll, anonymously. Just for statistical purposes.

Cheers!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 4 2011 11:24:07
 
Elie

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RE: How fast is your picado? (in reply to vuduchyld) 
romb just an idea .. to reveal the confusion here, why don't you post a tab ( scale or something ) and then everyone post a video of him/her self doing it at the fastest speed he/she can achieve. mmm guess it is simple and everyone can do it .. and then we can determine different speeds .. coz everyone make different speeds with different scales etc ....

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rombsix

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RE: How fast is your picado? (in reply to p00nani) 
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do you paly a single scale up and down up and down or you practice it on phrases from paco de lucia or some other player ?


Both. I try to play parts of a picado run as fast as I can (as speed burst practice to build strength / speed), and I try to do whatever picado run I am working on (from PdL, or a scale) at about 10 or 20 bpm slower than the FASTEST speed I can reach, but sustaining it for a long time (either if the run is very long, or repeating it consecutively) to build endurance. I try to do this for about 10 to 15 minutes daily, but I am sometimes too busy, and don't get the chance to.

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rombsix

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RE: How fast is your picado? (in reply to Elie) 


Here is the PdL picado run that I was using to show how fast I can go. I can play this using two-finger i-m picado at about 150 - 160 bpm (after warming up). I am playing it at 40 bpm here. I used high-definition quality so you can see what I am fretting and I don't have to tab this. I hate tabbing.



Here is the Grisha extended scale exercise that I showed earlier at 110 bpm. I can play this using two-finger i-m picado at about 120 - 125 bpm (after warming up). I am playing it at 40 bpm here. I used high-definition quality so you can see what I am fretting and I don't have to tab this. I loath tabbing.

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p00nani

 

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RE: How fast is your picado? (in reply to vuduchyld) 
by the way are you really from lebanon ?

im asking it with respect only no mean to disrespect just to know
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Elie

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RE: How fast is your picado? (in reply to vuduchyld) 
hey where did you get this from ?
the ending sounds so odd to me lol

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 4 2011 13:31:42
 
rombsix

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RE: How fast is your picado? (in reply to p00nani) 
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by the way are you really from lebanon ?


I am Lebanese, and I live in Beirut, Lebanon. Why do you find that strange?

quote:

hey where did you get this from ?
the ending sounds so odd to me lol


I got it by slowing down the original Entre dos Aguas, and picking up the run note by note using my ear. I think it's very accurate. Remember that you are used to hearing it being played at 208 bpm.

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p00nani

 

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RE: How fast is your picado? (in reply to vuduchyld) 
wow man just im from israel and the flamenco scene here is so bad i wonder how it is in lebanon man maybe we can play together in the border :)
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rombsix

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RE: How fast is your picado? (in reply to p00nani) 
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wow man just im from israel and the flamenco scene here is so bad i wonder how it is in lebanon man maybe we can play together in the border :)


It's not so great here either, mate. We have one flamenco "representative," so-to-speak, and she works mostly on dance. She has been making progress somewhat and trying to hold more than the occasional workshop. It's hard though because there is not much awareness about flamenco in Lebanon or the Arab world as a whole, I would say.

If only you and I could set an example to politicians that advocate wars and killing, showing them that through music, we can all come together.

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Elie

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RE: How fast is your picado? (in reply to vuduchyld) 
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Remember that you are used to hearing it being played at 208 bpm.

that make sense, it is just I'm so familiar with the beginning but then the ending turned out into strange notes to my ears
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If only you and I could set examples to politicians and rulers that advocate wars and killing, showing them that through music, we can all come together.

well said mate.

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Doitsujin

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RE: How fast is your picado? (in reply to vuduchyld) 
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If only you and I could set examples to politicians and rulers that advocate wars and killing, showing them that through music, we can all come together.







... lol

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rombsix

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RE: How fast is your picado? (in reply to Doitsujin) 
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... lol




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rombsix

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RE: How fast is your picado? (in reply to rombsix) 
I've come to a conclusion that it's not very meaningful to ask "how fast is YOUR picado, in general?" This is because there are several runs that I know, but I can play each one at a certain speed. I assume it's because of the difficulty of each run, how long I've been playing that run, etc.

I guess it would make more sense to ask "How fast can you play THIS picado run?"

Still, people like Grisha or jg can probably play any run I know much faster than I can without having to practice it for as long as I've been practicing it, and regardless of its difficulty. But maybe that is only because they've played so many different runs that the "difficulty and duration of knowing/practicing this run" factor does not apply to them anymore.

Am I making sense, or just talking rubbish?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 9 2011 13:41:20
 
XXX

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RE: How fast is your picado? (in reply to rombsix) 
you could ask something like "what is the fastest speed that you have ever achieved"
I dont want to put down picado, because it can be a great thing and at times be important in solo guitar repertoire. But. I could perfectly live with a bulerias completely without picado, but not with one completely without cool rasgeados.

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rombsix

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RE: How fast is your picado? (in reply to XXX) 
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I could perfectly live with a bulerias completely without picado, but not with one completely without cool rasgeados.


Rasgueados are cool too.

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