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I can't find this track in my CD collection and I know that I own it. In the closing seconds there's a pattern that sounds like a rapid succession of thumb golpes above the strings with some downstrokes thrown in. It's damn cool and I haven't heard it used in any other rumbas. I'd like to know how this sequence is counted so I can put it to a metronome.
RE: final rhythm pattern for PDL's ... (in reply to rombsix)
Rombsix, that is exactly the part I was describing. However, my memory of it is off, just a little. I hear a nail in the golpes so it's probably not the thumb-above-string rumba golpe that I imagined.
Let me know if you figure out what's going on there.
Let me know if you figure out what's going on there.
The strumming pattern used in the last few seconds of Paco de Lucia's Rumba Improvisada. I show one way of doing it with all above-the-bass-strings golpes first, then I show another way including both "normal" golpes, and above-the-bass-strings golpes. The latter way I think is better, and thus I show an example of it. What I'm doing is:
1- down with p + golpe below trebles with a and m 2- golpe with a and m below the trebles 3- golpe with p above the basses 4- down with ami + golpe above basses with p 5- Lowest bass string rest stroke onto 5th string 6- down with p + golpe below trebles with a and m 7- golpe with a and m below the trebles 8- golpe with p above the basses 9- down with ami + golpe above basses with p 10- golpe with p above basses
I have been working on it as well with a mixture of golpes above and below the strings. The major difference between what I was doing and what you are doing is the pulgar rest-stroke. I was getting a decent approximation but I see your method is clearly more accurate.
Rombsix, I haven't had time to give this pattern a good try. However, I'm trying to think of how to count it so I can set it to a metronome. I count rumba in 4s like this:
ONE and two AND three and four and
However, I think this pattern covers two sets of 4, no? The way I'm tapping it out on my knee, right now, the second ONE falls silently between your steps 6 and 7:
6- down with p + golpe below trebles with a and m 7- golpe with a and m below the trebles
Is that right? How do you count it?
Also, how long did it take you to get this up to speed?
James: Frankly, I don't count it. I just play it. I suppose you're right, though. It is probably too long to be thought of as a single cycle of four beats. And by the way - I HAVEN'T gotten it up to speed yet. The bit in my video from 0:27 to the end was artificially sped up using Sony Vegas 8.0 so that you can just feel what it will sound like up to speed (helping you identify that it sounds very close to the original by PdL). There are many steps involved in this strumming pattern, but it's not that hard to get going faster. It would probably take a day or two of practice to get it much more solid, and will only get easier to play with time (probably a week).
RE: final rhythm pattern for PDL's ... (in reply to rombsix)
"The bit in my video from 0:27 to the end was artificially sped up using Sony Vegas 8.0 so that you can just feel what it will sound like up to speed "
Is this played the same as the transition bit in Entre dos Aguas? I always just played that as an alzapúa. Or at least I did, before I played a few too many holes of pub golf and broke my thumbnail last week.
RE: final rhythm pattern for PDL's ... (in reply to Adam)
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pub golf
Pub Golf? ... What the heck is that?
some drunken Cambridge student caper where someone crouches at one end of the bar with their mouth open while the others try to roll a pickled egg into it from the other?
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I suppose you're right, though. It is probably too long to be thought of as a single cycle of four beats. And by the way - I HAVEN'T gotten it up to speed yet. 
The bit in my video from 0:27 to the end was artificially sped up using Sony Vegas 8.0 so that you can just feel what it will sound like up to speed (helping you identify that it sounds very close to the original by PdL). There are many steps involved in this strumming pattern, but it's not that hard to get going faster. It would probably take a day or two of practice to get it much more solid, and will only get easier to play with time (probably a week). 
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