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Mike_Kinny
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RE: What do you think of????? (in reply to mark indigo)
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ORIGINAL: mark indigo quote:
Yeah, and I heard from some of those people that Paco was the first to use capo in flamenco, he invented alzapua, he invented iia rasgeo (except Ruben), etc. etc. are you talking about ruben or someone else? is this meant to be serious or frustrated sarcasm because someone has a different opinion to you and actually is trying to say something interesting about it and back up what they say? if it's a joke, try using these otherwise, what are you trying to say? No joking amigo. Did you think Ruben's Paco talk is an isolated case? It's a trend, culture, survival tactic, call it whatever you like. What I'm trying to say is that don't give up your own judgment. Just because somebody is such a prominent figure in flamenco that his name is Moraito, doesn't mean everything he says is correct, specially things he says about Paco.
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Date Dec. 18 2009 2:00:22
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Arash
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From: Iran (living in Germany)
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RE: What do you think of????? (in reply to Pimientito)
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ORIGINAL: Pimientito I think this is what pro players can learn from Juan, how to organise gigs and become sucessful i think this whole system works only for JM (+ some others) its the combination of easy flamenco for the general public / mainstream + good business tactics + some other details , which works for them. i don't think that if pro. players copy these tactics, but KEEP their way of playing, their attitude, etc.....that they will be much more successful than what they are right now.... paco is an exception (btw, pacos audience is different from JMs) to be honest: thats also why i have lot of respect for them and for those guitarist, who maybe sell just a few CDs at flamenco-world and some other "underground" places , because only a few % really get what they are playing and buy such CDs, etc. for many others, this is just "too much" ;-), they need something, they can handle i mean, some of them could easily completely change to easy listening flamenco and make more money, but then they would simply sell theirselves to the "system".
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Date Dec. 18 2009 3:34:24
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mark indigo
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RE: What do you think of????? (in reply to XXX)
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I wonder what made him and Eva come together? my guess would be Eva keen to work outside Spain, JM has the contacts, publicity etc., and he gets kudos bringing the best upcoming artists from Spain, the agents work out the details.... I also had a copy of the white book of JM (i had a teacher before that, so i didn't actually start with that book), and that show was quite an eye opener for me, to see JM compared with Paco Jarana and the rest of the group of dancers and singers..... you could say the first seed of JM doubt was sown! Pimientito is right of course, JM has introduced a lot of people to flamenco, has provided teaching materials at a time when there wasn't much, if anything, else, and brought artists over from Spain. His business and promotion is second to none, all guitarists (and singers) should have cd's available at gigs!
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Date Dec. 18 2009 4:29:54
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Ron.M
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RE: What do you think of????? (in reply to Stoney)
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If your intention is to get out there and sell it, another element comes into play. The balance between selling out VS. beating people to death with your brilliance is more brutal in this genre than in any other. The Beatles in their early days played in Liverpool, went to Hamburg, playing 6 hour gigs and sleeping on floors... with all venues paying peanuts, or not getting paid at all. Brian Epstein knocked on all the doors of the big record distribution studios in London and was famously told by the Decca A&R man..."Yeah...they're OK I suppose...but guitar bands are on their way out. Sorry, next..." Until eventually EMI reluctantly gave them the chance of recording a trial single. I saw Billy Connolly and Gerry Rafferty up the Glasgow Folk Centre in 1969 getting paid a fiver between them for their efforts....John Martyn too. Funnily enough...I've just been watching a cookery programme hosted by Jaime Oliver, the young Celebrity chef and "guy next door", with jeans and a T-shirt who speaks wiv a Seoff London accent, mixed wiv a bit of "o'ws yer Father...just give it that, Darling.." cockney stuff. A cheeky chappie and a bit of a lad to 'ave a pint with. You wouldn't think he has several restaurants all over the world and is worth 35 Million! "No problem Darlin'...jus give it a bit of this an' that..." I'm not saying he's a bad cook..but just that he's a good businessman too and not really selling out on his fundamental principles and interests in cooking to anybody, but just caught on to the fact that it's more enjoyable to do TV cookery programmes at 50 grand a time than spend a shift in a hot kitchen for 50 quid. Main thing was IMO, they all had belief in what they did. cheers, Ron
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Date Dec. 18 2009 12:15:38
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