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sorin popovici

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rafael cortes - again

well ...I have been away for some time on the foro. So I dont exactly whats new and hot .....but this guy's bulerias is really impressive .

What do you guys think ? Is he the new Paco or whatever ?

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Doitsujin

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RE: rafael cortes - again (in reply to sorin popovici)

^^ He plays mainly Paco flasetas in this bulerias.. We had a discussion about that buleria in past. I think he plays awesome and he has also talent for composing when he doesnt use Pacos stuff. Hes a technique monster but there are so many crazy guitarists in spain.. I think hes in the top row without doubt.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 31 2009 14:03:22

minordjango

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RE: rafael cortes - again (in reply to sorin popovici)

hes certainly cool my scorpion friend, some great falsetas.

he also has a lesson with a ripper alegrias , anyone dare to transcribe it for us ??

http://www.sneakme.net/browse.php?u=Oi8vd3d3LnlvdXR1YmUuY29tL3dhdGNoP3Y9eENERE41T09tdTQmZmVhdHVyZT1yZWxhdGVk&b=13

really cool piece, he really looks flamenco also, ill listen more to his stuff, cheers Sorin

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 31 2009 14:09:58

rombsix

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RE: rafael cortes - again (in reply to minordjango)

Here is Rafa, his son, and TOMMY EMMANUEL!

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XXX

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RE: rafael cortes - again (in reply to sorin popovici)

Apologies, sometimes i am a mean person

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rombsix

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RE: rafael cortes - again (in reply to XXX)

I know their rendition wasn't super great, but I just wanted to share the video.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 19 2011 21:47:53

XXX

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RE: rafael cortes - again (in reply to rombsix)

I know you did it only for sharing reasons, thats why i apologized in advance.

Well, they basically missed the chance to make an original performance. Maybe they had no time to practice, or it was Emmanuel's choice to pick this song. But it would have been way cooler if they worked out something that is original and suits as a fusion piece, just like PdL,DiMeola did, with their non-Rumba pieces i mean.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 19 2011 21:52:41

jg7238

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RE: rafael cortes - again (in reply to XXX)

The maturity in this kid's playing is just crazy.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 19 2011 22:20:27

Mark2

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RE: rafael cortes - again (in reply to sorin popovici)

Thanks JG-the kid is really amazing.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 20 2011 15:01:54

Munin

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RE: rafael cortes - again (in reply to sorin popovici)

Emmanuel being my greatest non-flamenco guitar idol I find it hard to critique that performance in a neutral fashion. But, I think doing this is a better idea than throwing together some forgettable, vaguely Flamenco sounding jazzy "fusion" piece...but maybe that's just me.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 20 2011 17:44:16

ToddK

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RE: rafael cortes - again (in reply to XXX)

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Apologies, sometimes i am a mean person

They are cheating a bit though. They're speeding the overall tempo way up, but they are doing triplets through 95 percent of the tune, and not straight 16ths like Paco and co.
Pretty much everybody that plays Rio ancho/ Entres does this.

Rumba has alot more energy at 240 than at 190bpm, so i understand why
people go for that option.

What's rare is hearing players that can match what Paco was doing with the Trio in the 80's. Still havent heard anything close.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 21 2011 7:43:07

Ricardo

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RE: rafael cortes - again (in reply to ToddK)

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They are cheating a bit though. They're speeding the overall tempo way up, but they are doing triplets through 95 percent of the tune, and not straight 16ths like Paco and co.

ah....sorry man NO. Check it again those are 16ths...even the tempo is up. The only triplets I noticed were by Cerreduela on the right at 5:30. and the ending of course, but the rest of the time it was 4 per beat man. The guy on left is using i a but maybe cheating with 3 fingers, hard to tell. Those guys are fast as f u c k. That spot at 3:54 is scary. And overall their improv is not bad at all.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 21 2011 14:21:35

XXX

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RE: rafael cortes - again (in reply to Ricardo)

I THINK there were some close ups where i saw Enrique playing with a-i picado, there might be also 3 finger picado involved somewhere, at least i didnt see it.
Todd, i think they are playing this at original speed like on Friday Night. Except the ending where they went a bit too crazy IMO

but still they didnt loose it at all.
Munin, nevermind my comment i was just ranting. Its just... i mean the 1000th rendition of Entre dos Aguas, really? It kinda leaves you disappointed when this is the result of a get-together by two such great guitarrists as Rafa and Emmanuel, i admire both. I honestly dont think one can cover pacos rumba material better than Cerreduela and Bermudez did in that performance. If i was a gigging player, i would opt for different material in future, just sayin'

especially as it is on youtube... people will refer to it and say "well... your version is pretty good, but this is the real deal"

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 21 2011 23:16:54

Grisha

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RE: rafael cortes - again (in reply to sorin popovici)

Todd is right, those are not 4 per beat, but close to triplets, maybe a tad faster at times.

Happy B-Day, Todd!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 21 2011 23:30:20

ToddK

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RE: rafael cortes - again (in reply to Ricardo)

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Check it again those are 16ths...

I clock the tempo at 240bpm using my metronome. That is the tempo,
that cannot be disputed.

So, you're saying they're playing straight 16ths at 240bpm in this video?

No way in hell dude. They would sound like bumble beez at that speed.
Like the one string tremolo licks Paco does on "One Summer Night".

BTW Ricardo, are you going to see Paco in April?? We should meet up.
I already have my tickets.

Grisha, thanks man!
Hope your back is getting better..

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 22 2011 8:22:20

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RE: rafael cortes - again (in reply to XXX)

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ORIGINAL: Deniz
It kinda leaves you disappointed when this is the result of a get-together by two such great guitarrists as Rafa and Emmanuel, i admire both.

I think it's beacuse they are differnt style guitarist?
put Cortes with another killer guitarist like Tomatito, and I'm sure they have a killer jam..
with Emmanuel with another great such as his brother or martin taylor or even guys like steve lukanter, I'm sure it'll be good..

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 22 2011 19:58:46

Ricardo

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RE: rafael cortes - again (in reply to ToddK)

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I clock the tempo at 240bpm using my metronome. That is the tempo,
that cannot be disputed.

So, you're saying they're playing straight 16ths at 240bpm in this video?

No way in hell dude. They would sound like bumble beez at that speed.

quote:

Todd is right, those are not 4 per beat, but close to triplets, maybe a tad faster at times.

Wow...you guys are killin me.

I play rumbas 4 days a week w/ drum machine. We do rumbas this speed (120-128) and all along I got NO PROBS with triples (6's per beat) in all that tempo range. I warm up to it with slower tunes of course. But 4's (or 8's per beat) is too fast for me.

I CANNOT GO AS FAST as what these guys are doin in this vid. Just that one spot at 5:29 I can do. But as I pointed out the spot at 3:54 and elsewhere....(compare to 3:45 right before, THOSE are triplets) and the NOTE FOR NOTE as PDL ending at 6:18 still in tempo....sorry man out of my league. Maybe with a pick if I REALLY push it and do my standard easy fast lick. Just try to drum your hands to what they play or do triplet rasgueado vs 4's rasgueado along with em to see what I mean.

I know these ain't triplets, but maybe they push to 5's or something at times, dragging tail, but still feels like 4's to me....where are the video downloading slowdowner counting nerds to help us with this!!!

ricardo

And my metronome has them pushing above 240 to boot.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 23 2011 9:44:59

ToddK

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RE: rafael cortes - again (in reply to Ricardo)

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Wow...you guys are killin me.

What about the show in April?? U going??

Can i meet up with you?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 23 2011 10:39:25

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RE: rafael cortes - again (in reply to ToddK)

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What about the show in April?? U going??

Can i meet up with you?

Yep. I have a backstage pass already.

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RE: rafael cortes - again (in reply to Ricardo)

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Yep. I have a backstage pass already.

Can you xerox that for me?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 23 2011 10:55:20

XXX

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RE: rafael cortes - again (in reply to HolyEvil)

quote:

ORIGINAL: HolyEvil

quote:

ORIGINAL: Deniz
It kinda leaves you disappointed when this is the result of a get-together by two such great guitarrists as Rafa and Emmanuel, i admire both.

I think it's beacuse they are differnt style guitarist?

Check out Pdl/DiMeola/McLaughlin.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 23 2011 11:27:23

Grisha

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RE: rafael cortes - again (in reply to sorin popovici)

Ricardo, not that it's very important, but these are mostly triplets. Come on, don't make me post a video.

By the way... Why is it so common to call the use of 3 fingers for picado "cheating"? Are we playing music or performing circus tricks?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 23 2011 21:56:49

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RE: rafael cortes - again (in reply to Grisha)

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By the way... Why is it so common to call the use of 3 fingers for picado "cheating"? Are we playing music or performing circus tricks?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 23 2011 22:01:27

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RE: rafael cortes - again (in reply to Grisha)

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Ricardo, not that it's very important, but these are mostly triplets. Come on, don't make me post a video.

By the way... Why is it so common to call the use of 3 fingers for picado "cheating"? Are we playing music or performing circus tricks?

They are triplets, but i'd love to see you demo some triplet vs 16th stuff on
video.

You're right, "cheating" is an irrelevant term regarding technique. If you can
execute it, and make sound right, its right, and its real.
TK

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 24 2011 1:50:04

rombsix

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RE: rafael cortes - again (in reply to ToddK)

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You're right, "cheating" is an irrelevant term regarding technique. If you can execute it, and make sound right, its right, and its real.

Yeah, but still...

Hehehehehe!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 24 2011 1:56:40

jg7238

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RE: rafael cortes - again (in reply to rombsix)

To this day, I have yet to see anyone play this run at 2:46 the way Paco plays it. Simply amazing.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 24 2011 3:53:57

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RE: rafael cortes - again (in reply to sorin popovici)

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To this day, I have yet to see anyone play this run at 2:46 the way Paco plays it. Simply amazing

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Grisha

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RE: rafael cortes - again (in reply to sorin popovici)

jg, check this video out.

Look also at Paco's shoes. That's your proof that he was influenced by Al

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 24 2011 15:27:14

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RE: rafael cortes - again (in reply to sorin popovici)

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i'd love to see you demo some triplet vs 16th stuff on
video.

Me too!!!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 24 2011 19:53:42

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RE: rafael cortes - again (in reply to Grisha)

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Look also at Paco's shoes. That's your proof that he was influenced by Al

Grisha, thanks for the video. I would love to see you do this run. I'm sure you can do it with ease. The tricky part is going into those triplets at that speed.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 25 2011 0:30:00