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RE: Bulerias "El Chorruelo" from Paco de Lucia's Album "Luzia" - Falsetas 1 to 3
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Arash
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 RE: Bulerias "El Chorruelo"... (in reply to jg7238)
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Well, i agree with many points you mentioned Prof. Diaz.
For example the first part is absolutely correct.
But between the lines, i have the feeling that you simply don't accept any other opinion
about ANYTHING other than yours, and that whenever you see such an opinion about something
that may differ from yours, you feel like it is an attack againts you or disrespect and that everyone
wants to be a teacher and a "pilot" now!
Actually thats not the case.
There is a discrepancy here. I am highly interested to try to learn what you are teaching
and to follow instructions without discussing about any technical aspects, just listen and learn.
Because i can see that you are a top notch guitarist and teacher.
But i am also a human beeing with an own opinion about other things (like other players)
that may differ from yours.
What shall i do now? Is that too democratic to mention it? Shall we either just shut up and learn
what you teach or go to another teacher?
And i also have a different opinion about Style.
What you say is basically to copy a Style.
But if we all do that, we will be simply cheap Copies of Paco.
We will never be as good as Paco and we will never have a distinctive Style.
So what is wrong about learning from different teachers, combine things, techniques,
combine Styles and finally ADD a little bit of own personality and Style ?
Isn't that the goal of every musician (Amateur or Pro, doesn't matter)?
About internet: it has not only disadvantages but many advantages for many people.
For example you could have never reached us without internet and may only be teaching
few people from Toronto. And we could never learn from your Youtube Videos.
Or for students: we have thousands of students (or people who want to learn or are
learning flamenco guitar, but who don't have the chance to personally visit a good
teacher in their City/Country/etc.). Is it bad that we have these different Encuentro
DVDs from Moraito, Chicuelo, Gerardo Nunez, etc.? Or is it bad that we have online flamenco lessons
from Jason MCGuire, Ricardo, Adam del Monte, etc. ?
Sure, it is not as good as having a teacher LIVE sitting infront of you and hit on
your fingers whenever you do something wrong. But i am convinced that through Video
you can copy correct and good technique (as WE CAN DO IT ALSO THROUGH YOUR VIDEOS!!)
Anyways, one disadvantage of internet is that people don't sit face to face to talk about
a subject and that could create a lot of misunderstanding.
It was NOT my intention to disrespect you but i was a little bit offended as i felt that
there is some disrespect going on here to other good guitarists (and also because i am huge fan of Diego  ).,
maybe that was also a misunderstanding. If so, i apologize.
But i think a real disrespect would be if i just download your videos for free, and don't even
bother what you are talking about, just like people who come to the foro to just download
tabs for free for which others put a lot of work into, and then just dissapear and who
are not interested in any discussion or the forum in general. I think that would be a real
disrespect no?
Anyways, hope to read/see/hear more from you
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Date Jun. 7 2009 3:00:05
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Arash
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RE: Bulerias "El Chorruelo"... (in reply to jg7238)
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Well, i think from a certain point, everyone has the criteria to have an own "opinion"
about flamenco guitarists.
I mean you don't necessarily have to play like a Maestro yourself in order to be able to
have an opinion.
And i don't think that "taste" and "knowledge" should be seperated in Music.
Or that its only "knowledge" which counts. I mean we are talking about Art / Music and
not about Mathematics. Of course you should be in to flamenco and have basic knowledge.
I personally like the beauty of differences out there:
Each guitarist/Each Style in Flamenco Guitar has some criterias
which makes him / this Style somehow distinctive.
For example, now that we spoke of Paco and Diego:
Maybe Diego won't be able to play "La Barossa" exactly like Paco with same feeling,
but i am convinced that Paco can't play a jerez Bulerias exactly with the JEREZ "feel
and vibe" of Diego too.
So, is this a disrespect to Paco ? No. Is this a disrespect to Diego? No.
Is one "better" than the other one? No (at least in my opinion).
Its the whole "package" of a musician which counts imo.
I admire both (and many others).
I would find it a real pitty if we would exclude some guitarists (or Styles) from beeing
good, only because we have an own personal favourite.
Yes, i have favourites too. But my eyes and heart are open and i see the beauty of
flamenco guitar which appears with different faces almost everywhere out there.
Where do we start to define what good or bad is?
quote:
who is a bonafide teacher of flamenco guitar?, what are his qualifications, his characterístics?,
how a student will distinguish betwen someone bonafied and some one who is not bonafied?
Thats a difficult question. Specially in Flamenco guitar.
As a total beginner you are almost lost as you even don't know what compas is. So in that stage,
almost everyone could "teach" you and you won't find out what is good or bad habbit. You need
assistance in that stage to find a good teacher to avoid learning bad technique and habbit from
a self professed wannabe teacher.
But after few years of beeing deeply in to flamenco, you create some knowledge and a feeling for
what is 1) flamenco and what not 2) what is correct and good technique and what not
3) who could be a good teacher and who not , etc. etc.
From there, taste is also an important factor. If your goal is to learn a specific style, you
concentrate on it and if you are open to all styles and want to try out everything, you learn from
different sources.
Your videos are for advanced students, so i would say that most targeted students in this stage
can differentiate between a good and a bad teacher.
And i agree with you that one should deeply beeing in to something, analyse it and do everything
possible, if you want to really learn it.
Anyways, nice talking to you and thanks for reply.
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Date Jun. 8 2009 2:35:04
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JasonMcGuire
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RE: Bulerias "El Chorruelo"... (in reply to Arash)
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About point 3: As you rightly said, internet is very useful, but it is also very dangerous if you do not know how to use it properly. there is nothing wrong in taking lessons from many others, but I would like to ask you a question: who is a bonafide teacher of flamenco guitar?, what are his qualifications, his characterístics?, how a student will distinguish betwen someone bonafied and some one who is not bonafied?
Hey Ruben,
When you say things in this way it makes it very clear that you yourself feel that some of the teachers and online resources mentioned by Arash are not "Bonafide." Since, according to your statement, students couldn't possibly make up their own minds about who is a "bonafide teacher of flamenco guitar", why don't you tell just tell us? I have a feeling I know who you think is the most bonafide is.
Remember flamenco guitar is not all about technique, virtuosity and innovation. There are many things that justify being called "flamenco".
I can assure you and others that may read this thread that Adam del Monte and Richard Marlow (Ricardo) are indeed both "Bonafide teachers" of flamenco guitar. I have recommended them as teachers to many inquiries via email that I have recieved over the years..... Now Charles Sedlak....... there might be a bonafide situation there. 
bo⋅na fide [boh-nuh fahyd, bon-uh; boh-nuh fahy-dee]
–adjective
1. made, done, presented, etc., in good faith; without deception or fraud: a bona fide statement of intent to sell.
2. authentic; true: a bona fide sample of Lincoln's handwriting.
Also, bona-fide.
Origin:
1935–45; < L bonā fidē
Synonyms:
1. honest, sincere; lawful, legal. 2. genuine.
Great playing BTW.
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Date Jun. 12 2009 15:49:51
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Arash
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RE: Bulerias "El Chorruelo"... (in reply to jg7238)
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I think you misunderstood Jasons comment, Prof. Diaz.
He said , it is "not all about"......he didn't say that you don't NEED technique,
innovation, etc. I mean this would be crazy! Of course you need technique, etc.
Without that, you won't be able to play what you want and you would be restricted!
I think what he meant was that technique is not everything.
Why do we have these special things in Flamenco like "Aire", "Duende" etc?
And why do we always talk about that and want to discuss it and find out what it is?
I have seen some young Guitarists with incredible and fast technique, but who were totally boring (imo) and i didn't feel anything when hearing to them, playing the Guitar with no Soul, with no Aire, with no Duende.
I had the feeling that they just wanted to show off or something and say: "hey look at me, i am as fast as Paco or Vicente or....."..... but something important was missing. Thats not Flamenco (imo).
On the other hand, you sometimes see some players playing a piece, which at first seams to be easy to play. For example Moraito. Then, you realize that it is not easy at all, IF you want to play it with that specific Aire and Vibe !!!
Do you know what i mean? Or Moron Style...seams to be easy....but there is something which you can't exactly define, but which is somehow haunting.
That is what i meant with "different faces of flamenco".
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Date Jun. 13 2009 3:05:15
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