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jaggedsphere

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Query re: 'Cepa Andaluza' PdL 

Hi all, I have been listening to 'Cepa Andaluza' off of PdL's album 'Fuente Y Caudal'.

So my request is if one of you could explain this song to me. I hear many familiar elements to this song. Is it Bulerías? What else could be said of it?
Thanks!
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rodrigovalt

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RE: Query re: 'Cepa Andaluza' PdL (in reply to jaggedsphere

Nice you post this! a long time had past since I listened this.... Yes it is a Buleria, I remember when I was starting to get involved with flamenco, I listened to this song in one of the tracks from Paco's Antologia album and I fell in love with this buleria
Is just so flamenco , a lot of rasgueados and paco uses his thumb A LOT in these falsetas...

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Elie

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RE: Query re: 'Cepa Andaluza' PdL (in reply to jaggedsphere

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What else could be said of it?

it is a master piece

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Adam

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RE: Query re: 'Cepa Andaluza' PdL (in reply to jaggedsphere

It's definitely a bulería, and a fairly standard one at that. I mean, the falsetas often border on ridiculous - especially for the time when this piece came out - but the structure is nothing out of the ordinary. Falseta, compás, falseta, compás, etc., and the compases are, for the most part, pretty normal as well. Just the usual A to Bb, etc.

A couple of random facts.... One is that it starts with a media compás, so on the 6 (or so) rather than the 12, which is mildly unusual. Another fun thing in that piece is the chord progression at the end. It's a cool way to end the song. The part where he plays around with an A7 chord (5:10-5:14 or so - technically C7 since there's a capo on the third fret) could easily be used to transition the bulería from major into minor - you can hear a classic example of this in his slightly earlier bulería El Tempúl where that A7 goes into a Dm, G7, C, and then Dm, Am, E7, Am to establish the fact that you've ended up in A minor. If you haven't heard that piece, check it out, the A minor falseta he does at the end is excellent.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 15 2011 18:24:32
 
jaggedsphere

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RE: Query re: 'Cepa Andaluza' PdL (in reply to Adam

Oh muy bien. This is really helps me understand the lay of the land in the flamenco world.

Much to learn in flamenco! I have mainly been listening as opposed to reading...But the ear being more smart than the mind hears patterns and similarities.

Soon there is a juerga(thanks again to you ramparts for the vocabulary lesson in the previous thread) in Ottawa here and I am so very excited!

I think next week I will be on a Sabicas kick. This week is PdL. :)

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It's definitely a bulería, and a fairly standard one at that. I mean, the falsetas often border on ridiculous - especially for the time when this piece came out - but the structure is nothing out of the ordinary. Falseta, compás, falseta, compás, etc., and the compases are, for the most part, pretty normal as well. Just the usual A to Bb, etc.

A couple of random facts.... One is that it starts with a media compás, so on the 6 (or so) rather than the 12, which is mildly unusual. Another fun thing in that piece is the chord progression at the end. It's a cool way to end the song. The part where he plays around with an A7 chord (5:10-5:14 or so - technically C7 since there's a capo on the third fret) could easily be used to transition the bulería from major into minor - you can hear a classic example of this in his slightly earlier bulería El Tempúl where that A7 goes into a Dm, G7, C, and then Dm, Am, E7, Am to establish the fact that you've ended up in A minor. If you haven't heard that piece, check it out, the A minor falseta he does at the end is excellent.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 15 2011 19:44:11
 
Ron.M

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RE: Query re: 'Cepa Andaluza' PdL (in reply to jaggedsphere

Once you can play "El Tempúl" (even reasonably competently) then you'll know you've arrived.

cheers,

Ron
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 15 2011 20:04:15
 
jaggedsphere

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RE: Query re: 'Cepa Andaluza' PdL (in reply to Ron.M

quote:

Once you can play "El Tempul" (even reasonably competently) then you'll know you've arrived.

cheers,

Ron


I could probably do that in my sleep! That is to say IN MY DREAMS...
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 15 2011 20:11:29
 
Ron.M

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RE: Query re: 'Cepa Andaluza' PdL (in reply to jaggedsphere

That's the beauty of PdL at that period...
So simple, easy melodic tunes, practically nursery rhymes.. (like Panaderos)....
But so..so..far away from how anyone else can play Flamenco guitar...

Get that trick and you've got it licked.

cheers,

Ron
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Paul Magnussen

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RE: Query re: 'Cepa Andaluza' PdL (in reply to Adam

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It's a cool way to end the song.


Ramparts, you the first person from the UK that I’ve heard refer to an instrumental as a song. I thought it was an American thing :-)

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 16 2011 16:59:12
 
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RE: Query re: 'Cepa Andaluza' PdL (in reply to Paul Magnussen

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Ramparts, you the first person from the UK that I’ve hear refer to an instrumental as a song. I thought it was an American thing :-)


Ramparts is from the USA. He just studies in the UK. I think.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 16 2011 17:05:01
 
jaggedsphere

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RE: Query re: 'Cepa Andaluza' PdL (in reply to Ron.M

quote:

So simple, easy melodic tunes, practically nursery rhymes.. (like Panaderos)....
But so..so..far away from how anyone else can play Flamenco guitar...


Jeez. I like how you phrased that.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 16 2011 17:22:42
 
Paul Magnussen

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RE: Query re: 'Cepa Andaluza' PdL (in reply to Ron.M

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So simple, easy melodic tunes, practically nursery rhymes.. (like Panaderos)....


Panaderos is by Esteban Sanlúcar.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 16 2011 21:27:35
 
Adam

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RE: Query re: 'Cepa Andaluza' PdL (in reply to Paul Magnussen

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ORIGINAL: Paul Magnussen

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It's a cool way to end the song.


Ramparts, you the first person from the UK that I’ve heard refer to an instrumental as a song. I thought it was an American thing :-)


ha! As Ramzi said, I'm actually American so maybe your theory fits. I consciously try to avoid that, actually. I think I replaced "song" with "piece" at another point in the same post, but I must not have been too diligent. Blame the manzanilla in Sanlúcar for killing too many brain cells!
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