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Ricardo
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RE: Master luthier flamenco guitars (in reply to Chanpanpap)
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ORIGINAL: Chanpanpap Hi everyone, Im trying to know the best flamenco guitars such as Santos Hernandez, Arcangel Fernandez, Gerundino Fernandez, Manuel Reyes, Francisco Barba, if you know any please let me know bellow It is good to know lineages. It starts with Manuel and Jose Ramirez (IMO). Jose had a “tablao” guitar that was used by flamenco musicians, but according to his Grandson Jose III, Manuel took over the flamenco market with new ideas that today we consider the standard designs. Blancas, negra, or maple etc style flamenco guitars begin with Manuel Ramirez (1910s). His students branch off the various lineages, and we can say Jose III joins up with them in the 50s or 60s let’s say. Santos, Esteso are the main two lines. Santos->Barbero->Arcangel->Reyes, Reyes jr., many copy the Reyes style. Domingo Esteso->Conde Hermanos->Felipe and Mariano ->Felipe jr, etc….many Valencia factory guitars copy their designs. Jose Ramirez III (a bit of both of the above style mixed together plus innovation of Cedar tops)->IV-> Many factory copies from Spain and Asia, etc. Ramirez apprentices are numerous:Valbuena, Contreras, Manzanero, Martinez, etc. We can say all those summarize “madrid school”. Then there is Andalucia where we see some unique makers such as Antonio Marin Montero, Jeronimo Peña Fernandez (my personal favorite), Rodriguez, those that you mentioned (I feel Reyes takes much from Madrid school unlike the others), all of which have created their own lineages where we see modern luthiers furthering their concepts.
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Date Jul. 30 2023 17:59:25
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Richard Jernigan
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RE: Master luthier flamenco guitars (in reply to Echi)
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I have owned a '67 cedar/cypress Ramirez, with the initials of Antonio Martinez, since it was new, and an '82 spruce/cypress Arcangel Fernandez since 2000. The Arcangel was built for a non-Japanese collector. In 2000 it showed no sign of ever having been handled, much less played. The Raimirez would now cost around $6,000 from a dealer. I paid far more than that for the Arcangel 23 years ago. Some knowledgeable players, comparing the two, have preferred the Ramirez, some have preferred the Arcangel. I like the Arcangel better. For a long time the only guitar I had played that I liked more than the Ramirez was a '73 Conde blanca that belonged to a friend. Then I played the Arcangel. The best guitar for me may not be the best one for you. Furthermore, your preference might change as your technique develops. RNJ
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Date Jul. 31 2023 21:26:13
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estebanana
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RE: Master luthier flamenco guitars (in reply to Ricardo)
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ORIGINAL: Ricardo quote:
ORIGINAL: Chanpanpap Hi everyone, Im trying to know the best flamenco guitars such as Santos Hernandez, Arcangel Fernandez, Gerundino Fernandez, Manuel Reyes, Francisco Barba, if you know any please let me know bellow It is good to know lineages. It starts with Manuel and Jose Ramirez (IMO). Jose had a “tablao” guitar that was used by flamenco musicians, but according to his Grandson Jose III, Manuel took over the flamenco market with new ideas that today we consider the standard designs. Blancas, negra, or maple etc style flamenco guitars begin with Manuel Ramirez (1910s). His students branch off the various lineages, and we can say Jose III joins up with them in the 50s or 60s let’s say. Santos, Esteso are the main two lines. Santos->Barbero->Arcangel->Reyes, Reyes jr., many copy the Reyes style. Domingo Esteso->Conde Hermanos->Felipe and Mariano ->Felipe jr, etc….many Valencia factory guitars copy their designs. Jose Ramirez III (a bit of both of the above style mixed together plus innovation of Cedar tops)->IV-> Many factory copies from Spain and Asia, etc. Ramirez apprentices are numerous:Valbuena, Contreras, Manzanero, Martinez, etc. We can say all those summarize “madrid school”. Then there is Andalucia where we see some unique makers such as Antonio Marin Montero, Jeronimo Peña Fernandez (my personal favorite), Rodriguez, those that you mentioned (I feel Reyes takes much from Madrid school unlike the others), all of which have created their own lineages where we see modern luthiers furthering their concepts. I don’t think the Archangel to Reyes transmission really works. It seems more like Reyes connected with Barbero not long before he died in regard to a correspondence discussion of Santos, then Reyes is on his own. If the 1960’s Reyes guitars I’ve studied, they look more linked to Santos directly in how he wanted to work and Archangel wasn’t a mentor, they lived in different cities respectively and in many ways were competing from the start of Reyes’ career.
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