estebanana -> RE: Master luthier flamenco guitars (Aug. 8 2023 12:46:03)
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ORIGINAL: Chanpanpap Hi everyone, Im trying to know the best flamenco guitars such as Santos Hernandez, Arcangel Fernandez, Gerundino Fernandez, Manuel Reyes, Francisco Barba, if you know any please let me know bellow It is good to know lineages. It starts with Manuel and Jose Ramirez (IMO). Jose had a “tablao” guitar that was used by flamenco musicians, but according to his Grandson Jose III, Manuel took over the flamenco market with new ideas that today we consider the standard designs. Blancas, negra, or maple etc style flamenco guitars begin with Manuel Ramirez (1910s). His students branch off the various lineages, and we can say Jose III joins up with them in the 50s or 60s let’s say. Santos, Esteso are the main two lines. Santos->Barbero->Arcangel->Reyes, Reyes jr., many copy the Reyes style. Domingo Esteso->Conde Hermanos->Felipe and Mariano ->Felipe jr, etc….many Valencia factory guitars copy their designs. Jose Ramirez III (a bit of both of the above style mixed together plus innovation of Cedar tops)->IV-> Many factory copies from Spain and Asia, etc. Ramirez apprentices are numerous:Valbuena, Contreras, Manzanero, Martinez, etc. We can say all those summarize “madrid school”. Then there is Andalucia where we see some unique makers such as Antonio Marin Montero, Jeronimo Peña Fernandez (my personal favorite), Rodriguez, those that you mentioned (I feel Reyes takes much from Madrid school unlike the others), all of which have created their own lineages where we see modern luthiers furthering their concepts. I don’t think the Archangel to Reyes transmission really works. It seems more like Reyes connected with Barbero not long before he died in regard to a correspondence discussion of Santos, then Reyes is on his own. If the 1960’s Reyes guitars I’ve studied, they look more linked to Santos directly in how he wanted to work and Archangel wasn’t a mentor, they lived in different cities respectively and in many ways were competing from the start of Reyes’ career.
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