Transition from Eb phrygian to E phrygian

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athrane77

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Transition from Eb phrygian to E phr...

Hey, i'm learning the first few falseta from Vicente's Soleá "Córdoba" which is played in Eb. I'd like to use this beautiful falsetas as an Intro for my other Soleá Falsetas in E phrygian.
How can I transpose from Eb to E?
Any Ideas?
Thanks

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rombsix

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RE: Transition from Eb phrygian to E... (in reply to athrane77)

Play the Eb stuff with a capo on 1, and when you're done with that bit, snap the capo right off, and continue playing without it.

Or, move the recording in Eb one half-step up (using some software), then use your ear to reproduce the playing as closely as possible in E.

Problem solved.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 20 2012 9:57:29

athrane77

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RE: Transition from Eb phrygian to E... (in reply to athrane77)

Nice idea with the capo ramzi :D
I'll practice snaping my capo off a compás :D

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 20 2012 10:01:01

rombsix

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RE: Transition from Eb phrygian to E... (in reply to athrane77)

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I'll practice snaping my capo off a compás :D

Don't be surprised, this is actually done in many live performances (not flamenco, but I don't see why you can't extend the logic to flamenco). There are things called "Trigger Capos" by Dunlop (which is what I use). They can be put on and removed SUPER fast, so it can actually be done.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 20 2012 10:12:15

Munin

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RE: Transition from Eb phrygian to E... (in reply to athrane77)

Doesn't Vicente already modulate to E in Cordoba himself? Or am I confusing the piece?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 20 2012 10:14:51

athrane77

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 20 2012 10:15:33

rombsix

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RE: Transition from Eb phrygian to E... (in reply to athrane77)

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he modulates from E to Eb after the first few compases but also at the end from Eb to E
thanks i didnt realized that

The piece is played by Vicente with a capo on the first fret, in case you are not sure. PM me if you need help figuring out how to play it...

Cheers!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 20 2012 10:31:00

Ricardo

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RE: Transition from Eb phrygian to E... (in reply to athrane77)

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ORIGINAL: jof

goodbye cejilla
such a good idea

he modulates from E to Eb after the first few compases but also at the end from Eb to E
thanks i didnt realized that

Personally I never found his modulation convincing, but would have pointed out that you could use it to transition any time you needed to, had you not finally realzied it yourself.

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athrane77

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 21 2012 13:29:09

machopicasso

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RE: Transition from Eb phrygian to E... (in reply to Ricardo)

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Personally I never found his modulation convincing

How so? Are you referring to "Córdoba", in particular?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 22 2012 9:01:43

athrane77

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RE: Transition from Eb phrygian to E... (in reply to athrane77)

I don't understood ricardo in this case. I always found Vicentes transition VERY convincing, one can hardly recognize while listening to vicentes recordings, that he changed keys all the time.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 9 2012 10:57:12

Ricardo

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RE: Transition from Eb phrygian to E... (in reply to athrane77)

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ORIGINAL: jof

I don't understood ricardo in this case. I always found Vicentes transition VERY convincing, one can hardly recognize while listening to vicentes recordings, that he changed keys all the time.

Its my opinion that's all. He basically takes a dissonant chord shape and it's a weird key jump. He could have done a smoother modal move where he uses the typical move from E phyrgian to E major via B7. THen move E ionian-> E lydian, using the open E as a drone. Would be super smooth.

But it is what it is, and I only pointed out that you can use exactly what he does if you must.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 9 2012 20:12:07