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NormanKliman

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new soleá por arriba

I've worked out a few more ideas in relation to some arpeggiated falsetas that I posted a few weeks ago. Here's the new URL:

http://www.canteytoque.es/soleanewING.htm

It's about 90 seconds of music recorded in one take, although I had to edit out three "hiccups." This is a problem that I've been having with my ultra-low-quality recording setup, and I was very surprised and pleased that I was able to edit them out with good results. After practicing an idea, I usually have to spend a few days recording just to get a hiccup-free take. I'm still using a cheap plastic PC mic, so the audio file doesn't sound very good. This time I recorded without metronome or capo. I'm calling this a modern soleá on my website, although it's just the way I play soleá, which really isn't too modern. It's maybe a little too fast but that's how I like it. Heh, fast in the rhythm and slow to catch on to new ideas.

So please feel free to offer any comments, criticism, etc. I hope this gives somebody some interesting material to learn.

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henrym3483

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RE: new soleá por arriba (in reply to NormanKliman)

great stuff norman, i must buy one of the falseta collections when i see you in jerez, save on the shipping costs

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RE: new soleá por arriba (in reply to NormanKliman)

Norman, I actually LOVE the sound you get from the plastic mic because I've been so used to hearing it for the past 6 or 7 years. I never knew who you were at the time, but I was always happy to be able to actually HEAR the falsetas being played on a real guitar rather than as midi, or just a score/tab.

Ole!

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Ricardo

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RE: new soleá por arriba (in reply to NormanKliman)

good stuff!

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XXX

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RE: new soleá por arriba (in reply to NormanKliman)

Good stuff indeed, thx for your work!
I also have those "hiccups", its annoying especially when i want to record something against a compas loop. It freezes, stops recording for a second and all the timing is irreparably messed up -> Re-record.

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Ailsa

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RE: new soleá por arriba (in reply to NormanKliman)

Really nice stuff Norman. I enjoyed reading through the notes as I listened too.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 24 2010 16:10:12

NormanKliman

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RE: new soleá por arriba (in reply to Ailsa)

Thanks for the feedback everyone; I'm glad you like it. I think you're all very kind, because nobody's commented on the poor audio quality. The strings are over a month old, I'm not very careful about my nails, I muffed a few arpeggios, etc. With a good microphone, it might still sound old and scratchy!

Henry:

Visit any time you like, but anything you save is going to spent on drinks... Just kidding about saving (because I don't sell to my friends) but I'm dead serious about the drinks!

Ramzi:

I hope you still like my playing when I get a good microphone!

Ricardo:

Thanks, I think you know how much I respect your playing and afición!

Ailsa:

Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!

Deniz:

It sounds like we've got the same problem. I've attached an example of one of the hiccups (after downloading you have to change the extension to MP3). If that's your problem, too, it's not hard to edit out hiccups even if they happen in the middle of a rasgueado or something. If you've got a good audio editor (maybe an average one nowadays), you have to zoom in/out until you can see identical shapes in the sound waves immediately before and after the hiccup. Then, you highlight a section, as close as possible to covering the hiccup, with the left and right sides of the section on the identical shapes. Then, you zoom all the way in (here's the important part) and you place the borders on both sides of the highlighted section to the point where the waves cross over the middle. The sound waves go up and down crossing over the middle, so you cut the left side of the section on the upswing or downswing of the wave where it crosses the middle, and you cut the right side of the section at exactly the same point. When you delete the section, the two sides should join seamlessly at the middle. I don't know if I'm explaining myself well. In my case, I think the problem is that my sound card is a Realtek AC97. I don't know much about sound cards, but I read on the Internet that this one is famous for its recording problems. On HemeolaMan's advice, I looked for a buffer adjustment for the card but there doesn't seem to be one. It also might help to temporarily turn off the automatic-update function of the antivirus program when recording.

Thanks again, guys and gals. ¡Viva la afición!

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henrym3483

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RE: new soleá por arriba (in reply to NormanKliman)

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Henry:

Visit any time you like, but anything you save is going to spent on drinks... Just kidding about saving (because I don't sell to my friends) but I'm dead serious about the drinks!

AHa liquid lunch in barrio santiago me thinks

you like the top shelf or from the bar.

im def gonna head to that gorrilla bar again, its the only one that serves pints in jerez AFAIK. I was in another bar that does german beer but i think it was around the corner from plaza arenaL

what recording system are you using? is it audacity recorder?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 24 2010 19:48:11

NormanKliman

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RE: new soleá por arriba (in reply to henrym3483)

Yes, there are a few places that serve pints. To my surprise, across the square from the Gorilla bar I found a place that has bottles of Chimay, one of my favorites. Although the half-filled glasses of cold Cruzcampo really hit the spot on a hot day.

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what recording system are you using?

Old version of Sound Forge and cheapo sound card. Was going to upgrade but will have to wait a bit.

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henrym3483

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RE: new soleá por arriba (in reply to NormanKliman)

norman,

try http://audacity.sourceforge.net/download/

it works very well on most computers either win 2000 or xp

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 24 2010 21:18:52

mark indigo

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RE: new soleá por arriba (in reply to henrym3483)

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its the only one that serves pints in jerez AFAIK.

don't you have to drink the beer really fast though, else it gets too warm.... oh, that's the point i guess!

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henrym3483

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RE: new soleá por arriba (in reply to mark indigo)

man tinto de verano with loads of ice...great thirst quencher.

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RE: new soleá por arriba (in reply to henrym3483)

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man tinto de verano with loads of ice...great thirst quencher.

But getting drunk on it sucks. If you puke, you'll think you've hemorrhaged

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henrym3483

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RE: new soleá por arriba (in reply to Escribano)

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But getting drunk on it sucks. If you puke, you'll think you've hemorrhaged

i think i'd be letting the side down if i got drunk on that, plus i think spanish people look down on anyone who gets really drunk

cruzcampo if drank in sufficient quantities gives the worst hangover headache, think there's chemicals in it.

man, i could drink a bottle of pedro ximinez liquer cause it tastes great but would prob kill my liver

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mrMagenta

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RE: new soleá por arriba (in reply to NormanKliman)

I love this stuff. Thanks Norman! Excellent choice of material and very nice playing

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 28 2010 19:44:42

NormanKliman

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RE: new soleá por arriba (in reply to mrMagenta)

Thanks mrMagenta, I'm glad you like it!

A similar idea using octave basses is in Grisha's fandango video.

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