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El Kiko
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Hi and Hello ,
Just like to say hello to all as am I am new to this site, and was hoping to get help and advice from time to time with Flamenco playing as I am not near anyone I know of that plays.
I am origionally a Jazz guitarist and have no problems playing and transcibing whatever I need as I've been doing that kind of thing for years.
Although I have been playing Flamenco for a while now I have a lot of problems with .... well everything really.
It's all to do with the right hand, I see this as the motor that drives the flamenco
machine, Left hand , no problem , any chord, any position , all theory of harmony , everything there is fine, But because of the right hand problems it's like having a really nice shiney racing car with no engine in it...it doesn't go well, but looks good.
But I still keep on trying, Rasguerdo is passable (on a good day) picado is medium , could be better , and then theres tremelo........OH dear ,,, I do try and have been reading some suggestions on this site about it, I tend to avoid tunes with a tremelo section in it,
I know I shouldn't do that but no matter what I do it just doent seem to get any better.Pity really 'cos I wrote down a really nice tune from Pepe Martinez with a Low D tuning and I play it just fine apart from 8 bars in the middle that has tremelo,,,if I played the whole tune as fast as the slowest bit (the trem) that I could play it would just make the whole thing laboruoiusly slow.
Funny thing that I can write down just about anything cos I been doing that for so long, but that doesnt mean I can play it, just means that I can hear it clearly enough to scibble it down.
I also find that Flamenco is notoriously hard to transcibe. I did write down some Rasguerdos once exactly , exactly as they were played as each finger would hit the next string in sucession and the next finger would actually stop it and re-strike it again,
I am talking hemidemisemiquavers here and although I belive it is technically correct it just looks so horrendous to read, but it was just a little challenge to myself.
I wouldn't write like that, now I just put the strong beats down in chords with a wobbly line arrow up the side of the chord and the flamenco player would interpret that himself.
I transcibed something a few moths ago by Ricardo M, someone who I notice is on this site, I hope he doesnt mind, and its a piece thats nice to play apart fom a few fast bits at the end, more importantly ..no tremelo in it ... yes..
So I will be looking here from to time on practice stuff and tips and tricks although I dont really think I have any input myself to help others .
Kiko
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Date Jun. 8 2010 6:47:00
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El Kiko
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Joined: Jun. 7 2010
From: The South Ireland
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RE: Hello, Am I in the right place? (in reply to Ricardo)
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Muy Señor Ricardo
Oh dear , a note now from the great man himself....how disconcerting, ,……..
What I transcribed was Café Solé but the version I used I found this on a youtube video marked ………..
Ricardo plays his rumba and stays unpertubed...
playing his rumba in the patio of the hotel los helechos…………
This is a version , strangely enough, that I prefer as oppose to the album version I heard a sample of, and another version of that same rumba on a guitar that I’m sure isn’t as pink as it may appear on camera.
(Mine sometimes looks like a pure white guitar if I sit in the light as it is a very light Cyprus yellow)
It is a nice tune and nice to play depending on how detailed you want to be, I do take many liberties with many tunes and can change bits to suit myself (or make it easier !) I suppose it’s the jazz left in me, I didn’t change any of your tune except a bit at near the very end where it has a nice riff going to a low F(ma6) and E that is too good to miss out on, and I play that bit twice before moving on, why waste a good thing !!
Sorry I promise I won’t do it again.
But I think the point of music is the sound and feel as oppose to every note correct, so I think if these two things are preserved albeit a matter of opinion then the music should be good.
Many people think that flamenco music shouldn’t be written down or that it can’t be as too much is lost, and I do see their point as in Spain falsetas are kind of passed around changed then passed on again.
Anyway apart from liking that particular version of Café Solé I also avoid having to write the harmony lines and any counterpoint that occurs in the studio version, But I kind of favour a guitar sounding like a guitar, and a Conde Hermanos at that, a touch of reverb (maybe) and I bit of EQ is as far as I’d go, please don’t think of this as criticism , just my personal taste.
Transcribing that wasn’t too bad except a few bits here and there but I always transcribe with a pencil and a rubber to get it all into shape as I have done since college, and later I would make a clean copy.
In this case, as some others too, I just left it as a scribble with smudges on it as no-one else was to see it anyway.
Also I did start to work on a Bulerias that you play where you seem to be sitting in a kitchen, yours I presume, and this maybe called ‘Mi copita de Jerez’ as the sample of your album sounds like part of this.
This one I gave up on, as the idea of writing it was to play it one day and this did not seem to fall very well under my fingers, so I left it for a while, which is another way of saying ‘ it’s too hard for me to play’
I did look up some stuff about you as I was curios as to why you had a picture of Gerado Nuñez on your avatar here, and you studied with him, vaya vaya,
Another thing there was that I recently worked out a Sevillas by him , from Calima CD, this I didn’t write down and probably never will, but I do play it, but still trying to get it to “feel right”, I find in flamenco playing the right notes is only half the battle.
I suppose I'm just bieng lazy now in the transcritions and they can be a bit time consuming, and I need to actually play more as I still have so much more to do just to reach the dizzy level of being a bad flamenco player, that's one step up from being a terrible Flamenco player,...... paso a paso...
Kiko
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Date Jun. 9 2010 15:57:06
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El Kiko
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Joined: Jun. 7 2010
From: The South Ireland
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RE: Hello, Am I in the right place? (in reply to Ricardo)
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Sorry I took a while to get back to you...Yes I did already notice that video of your freind..
I am a bit busy these next few weeks, but I dug that transciption out the other day, and I will clean it up and send it to you but, stuck for time right now ,,, but soon ,,, although i have some other stuff I transcibed that I may put in this forum for everyone soon..
Thanks for taking the time to write back anyway , I appreciate it
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That part you like is actually the B guitar part underneath that Dm theme that repeats a lot. Funny, several folks like the "solo" version too, but they are missing out on all the fun of the B guitar part which I like to play almost more then the A part, but rarely get a chance. I guess soon I will get a group of folks that can play the A part from that video.