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El Kiko -> Hello, Am I in the right place? (Jun. 8 2010 6:47:00)

Hi and Hello ,
Just like to say hello to all as am I am new to this site, and was hoping to get help and advice from time to time with Flamenco playing as I am not near anyone I know of that plays.
I am origionally a Jazz guitarist and have no problems playing and transcibing whatever I need as I've been doing that kind of thing for years.
Although I have been playing Flamenco for a while now I have a lot of problems with .... well everything really.
It's all to do with the right hand, I see this as the motor that drives the flamenco
machine, Left hand , no problem , any chord, any position , all theory of harmony , everything there is fine, But because of the right hand problems it's like having a really nice shiney racing car with no engine in it...it doesn't go well, but looks good.
But I still keep on trying, Rasguerdo is passable (on a good day) picado is medium , could be better , and then theres tremelo........OH dear ,,, I do try and have been reading some suggestions on this site about it, I tend to avoid tunes with a tremelo section in it,
I know I shouldn't do that but no matter what I do it just doent seem to get any better.Pity really 'cos I wrote down a really nice tune from Pepe Martinez with a Low D tuning and I play it just fine apart from 8 bars in the middle that has tremelo,,,if I played the whole tune as fast as the slowest bit (the trem) that I could play it would just make the whole thing laboruoiusly slow.
Funny thing that I can write down just about anything cos I been doing that for so long, but that doesnt mean I can play it, just means that I can hear it clearly enough to scibble it down.
I also find that Flamenco is notoriously hard to transcibe. I did write down some Rasguerdos once exactly , exactly as they were played as each finger would hit the next string in sucession and the next finger would actually stop it and re-strike it again,
I am talking hemidemisemiquavers here and although I belive it is technically correct it just looks so horrendous to read, but it was just a little challenge to myself.
I wouldn't write like that, now I just put the strong beats down in chords with a wobbly line arrow up the side of the chord and the flamenco player would interpret that himself.
I transcibed something a few moths ago by Ricardo M, someone who I notice is on this site, I hope he doesnt mind, and its a piece thats nice to play apart fom a few fast bits at the end, more importantly ..no tremelo in it ... yes..
So I will be looking here from to time on practice stuff and tips and tricks although I dont really think I have any input myself to help others .

Kiko




xirdneH_imiJ -> RE: Hello, Am I in the right place? (Jun. 8 2010 6:56:34)

welcome!
if you read back you'll find all kinds of useful stuff...or if you ask you'll get some answers quickly...
the best would probably be if you uploaded something so that way we could help you more...
meanwhile, if you transcribe, share! please :)




Elie -> RE: Hello, Am I in the right place? (Jun. 8 2010 7:28:51)

welcome ,
don't feel down if things didn't work immediately just be patient and optimistic
you need a lot of patient specially for flamenco technique .
just start everything slowly and increase the speed, for ex. your tremelo start it **with the metronome** slowly mmm like 40<==>60 then when you manage that speed increase it . etc
good luck




Ricardo -> RE: Hello, Am I in the right place? (Jun. 8 2010 19:37:46)

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I transcibed something a few moths ago by Ricardo M, someone who I notice is on this site, I hope he doesnt mind, and its a piece thats nice to play apart fom a few fast bits at the end, more importantly ..no tremelo in it ... yes..


Cool I would like to see it. If it is from my CD I have my own transcriptions that might reveal something to you about it for comparison, but more just for my own curiosity I would like to see it.




El Kiko -> RE: Hello, Am I in the right place? (Jun. 9 2010 15:57:06)

Muy Señor Ricardo

Oh dear , a note now from the great man himself....how disconcerting, ,……..
What I transcribed was Café Solé but the version I used I found this on a youtube video marked ………..
Ricardo plays his rumba and stays unpertubed...
playing his rumba in the patio of the hotel los helechos…………
This is a version , strangely enough, that I prefer as oppose to the album version I heard a sample of, and another version of that same rumba on a guitar that I’m sure isn’t as pink as it may appear on camera.
(Mine sometimes looks like a pure white guitar if I sit in the light as it is a very light Cyprus yellow)
It is a nice tune and nice to play depending on how detailed you want to be, I do take many liberties with many tunes and can change bits to suit myself (or make it easier !) I suppose it’s the jazz left in me, I didn’t change any of your tune except a bit at near the very end where it has a nice riff going to a low F(ma6) and E that is too good to miss out on, and I play that bit twice before moving on, why waste a good thing !!
Sorry I promise I won’t do it again.
But I think the point of music is the sound and feel as oppose to every note correct, so I think if these two things are preserved albeit a matter of opinion then the music should be good.
Many people think that flamenco music shouldn’t be written down or that it can’t be as too much is lost, and I do see their point as in Spain falsetas are kind of passed around changed then passed on again.
Anyway apart from liking that particular version of Café Solé I also avoid having to write the harmony lines and any counterpoint that occurs in the studio version, But I kind of favour a guitar sounding like a guitar, and a Conde Hermanos at that, a touch of reverb (maybe) and I bit of EQ is as far as I’d go, please don’t think of this as criticism , just my personal taste.
Transcribing that wasn’t too bad except a few bits here and there but I always transcribe with a pencil and a rubber to get it all into shape as I have done since college, and later I would make a clean copy.
In this case, as some others too, I just left it as a scribble with smudges on it as no-one else was to see it anyway.
Also I did start to work on a Bulerias that you play where you seem to be sitting in a kitchen, yours I presume, and this maybe called ‘Mi copita de Jerez’ as the sample of your album sounds like part of this.
This one I gave up on, as the idea of writing it was to play it one day and this did not seem to fall very well under my fingers, so I left it for a while, which is another way of saying ‘ it’s too hard for me to play’
I did look up some stuff about you as I was curios as to why you had a picture of Gerado Nuñez on your avatar here, and you studied with him, vaya vaya,
Another thing there was that I recently worked out a Sevillas by him , from Calima CD, this I didn’t write down and probably never will, but I do play it, but still trying to get it to “feel right”, I find in flamenco playing the right notes is only half the battle.
I suppose I'm just bieng lazy now in the transcritions and they can be a bit time consuming, and I need to actually play more as I still have so much more to do just to reach the dizzy level of being a bad flamenco player, that's one step up from being a terrible Flamenco player,...... paso a paso...

Kiko




Ricardo -> RE: Hello, Am I in the right place? (Jun. 10 2010 0:30:01)

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I suppose it’s the jazz left in me, I didn’t change any of your tune except a bit at near the very end where it has a nice riff going to a low F(ma6) and E that is too good to miss out on, and I play that bit twice before moving on, why waste a good thing !!


That's cool. When other guitarists learn or transcribe my stuff I feel like a "real guitarist" somehow. [;)][:D] That part you like is actually the B guitar part underneath that Dm theme that repeats a lot. Funny, several folks like the "solo" version too, but they are missing out on all the fun of the B guitar part which I like to play almost more then the A part, but rarely get a chance. I guess soon I will get a group of folks that can play the A part from that video.

In fact I was showing the tune to the guy who loaded that vid so HE would learn it. That is why I show the intro and scale then play it kind of slow and lazy in the beginning, so he could catch the fingerings. But then the other guy started with compas so I just played it normal.

I understand about your pencil sketch transcription. That is fine, maybe you can make a vid for us to see your playing in the future? Maybe you can do some more with the intro on the D melodic minor since you are a jazz guy? Here is another friend from the foro that learned the tune:




El Kiko -> RE: Hello, Am I in the right place? (Jun. 14 2010 14:00:32)

Sorry I took a while to get back to you...Yes I did already notice that video of your freind..

I am a bit busy these next few weeks, but I dug that transciption out the other day, and I will clean it up and send it to you but, stuck for time right now ,,, but soon ,,, although i have some other stuff I transcibed that I may put in this forum for everyone soon..
Thanks for taking the time to write back anyway , I appreciate it




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