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rafapak

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regions in Spain where flamenco cult...

hi

since I am new to flamenco music I would like to ask in what regions of Spain flamenco is still played and flamenco culture is popular ?

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El Kiko

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RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to rafapak)

Andalucia

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 29 2015 23:53:26

Leñador

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RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to rafapak)

Well, nowhere really. There are places where it's more popular but not just popular.
It's Andalusian music so it's more popular there than anywhere else.........I think it's time for you to start doing a lil research on the subject, learn what it really is instead of what you think it should be......

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RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to Leñador)

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ORIGINAL: Leñador
...time for you to start doing a lil research on the subject...

Here's a little history with a focus on Morón de le Frontera...

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 30 2015 18:46:35

rafapak

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RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to rafapak)

thanks for replies and for youtube link !
Do you know guys what is economic situation in Andalucia these days? Do people struggle to get jobs ? Is there high unemployment rate?

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Dudnote

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RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to rafapak)

People bitch about there being no tragedy to inspire cantaors these days - but life isn't a bed of roses when there is 34% unemployment. I suspect cultural change and not a lack of poverty is really the issue with that one

Andalusia is worst region in EU for unemployment
http://www.thelocal.es/20150422/andalusia-worst-for-unemployment-in-eu

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 30 2015 19:05:24

Dudnote

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RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to rafapak)

Rafapak, if I remember right you're in Manchester right? If you go to the Institute Cervantes they have a small library with flamenco CDs. You should check out what they have.

http://manchester.cervantes.es/en/library_spanish/library_general_information.htm

enjoy the journey!!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 30 2015 19:18:13

rafapak

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RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to Dudnote)

yes, I noticed it recently when I was on my way to Forsyths. It is on the same street. I will go and chat with them.

Probably brutal truth is that richer regions or richer towns all over the world and in Europe are musical deserts where nobody plays any instrument or doesn't sing etc because people are busy spending money on different kind of stuff there and are not interested in music etc. Probably if money was available for spending in Andalucia people wouldn't play or sing flamenco too there. Anyway, no matter what the reason is I am happy to hear that people still play or sing flamenco in Andalucia.

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Dudnote

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RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to rafapak)

Some flamenco from Triana...

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johnnefastis

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RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to rafapak)

Andalucia, Madrid, or you could just come to this in Manchester :)
I think there are a couple of places left, you would no doubt meet and
play with a few people from here.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 30 2015 19:42:31

Leñador

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RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to rafapak)

Bingo!
You're actually in a great area for flamenco already. I envy the supportive scene they have out there.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 30 2015 21:12:39

El Kiko

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RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to rafapak)

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Is there high unemployment rate?

there has always been high unemployment in Andalucia ..its mainly agricultural , in all the years i was there work was hard to find and very sporadic and seasonal ...
work in a bar/cafe as a waiter ... usually plenty of that ....

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 31 2015 8:39:00

andaloosia

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RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to rafapak)

If you speak English and have good IT skills you can live in Andalucia and earn very high salaries because Cadiz is bordered with Gibraltar. Earning £50k living in Andalucia gives you a very high standard of living. Or if you are young and want to work in customer service or something. A massive amount of cash flows in to Andalucia from Spanish people working for UK companies in Gibraltar. It's all very contentious though.

Flamenco follows the money to some extent. There is a lot to be seen in rich places like Madrid. Granada is a massive tourist draw. Jerez doesn't have as much as some might think.

There is money in Malaga, Marbella, Granada and Sevilla. It's kind of romantic to foreigners and flamenco fans but some of it is a bit grim.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 2 2015 8:14:52

rafapak

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RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to rafapak)

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There is money in Malaga, Marbella, Granada and Sevilla. It's kind of romantic to foreigners and flamenco fans but some of it is a bit grim.

thanks for replies , what do you mean when you say that some of it is a bit grim?

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gbramer

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RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to rafapak)

It's a real place, not a fantasy.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 2 2015 18:14:21

rafapak

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RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to rafapak)

I get it.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 2 2015 18:19:26

Leñador

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RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to rafapak)

A real broke place lol

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RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to rafapak)

I think its about to become more broke as the communist Podemos Party is taking over Andalucia

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 3 2015 19:04:22

mark74

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RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to Leñador)

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Well, nowhere really. There are places where it's more popular but not just popular.
It's Andalusian music so it's more popular there than anywhere else.........I think it's time for you to start doing a lil research on the subject, learn what it really is instead of what you think it should be......

Seems like its still got a lot of presence in Seville and Granada, but thats just the impression I get from the States.

I've always wondered whether Barcelona has a bigger scene than Madrid. I guess it doesn't matter as they're probably comparable.

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RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to rafapak)

I don't know about Granada but when I was in Sevilla if I tried to talk about flamenco with random people at the bar or bartenders they didn't know much or want to talk about it. Sure there is flyers for tablaos all over but "the daily spaniard" didn't seem to know or care. Or they'd pretend to know when they realized you knew more they'd recant And say they really don't know.

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Nito

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RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to rafapak)

Hi guys,

In my opinion, Madrid/Sevilla is still the center of flamenco.

Years ago, Madrid was the center of flamenco without doubt . The flamenco people from Andalucia went to live to Madrid, but from 1992 with the high velocity train from Sevilla to Madrid the people back home and travel to Madrid.

From my point of view the best place is Cadiz province. Jerez de la Frontera and Cadiz city. Without doubt.

In the other hand, flamenco in Spain is for a "big minority".

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RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to mark74)

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I think its about to become more broke as the communist Podemos Party is taking over Andalucia

This is not a political forum and Podemos is not a communist party.

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andaloosia

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RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to Leñador)

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if I tried to talk about flamenco with random people at the bar or bartenders they didn't know much or want to talk about it

For the vast majority this is undoubtedly true. Basically zero interest.

Everyday examples I come across that are not paid shows or feria fairs:

* A neighbour of mine a few doors down does sing and play solea sometimes
* Women waiting around or queuing will do palmas seemingly out of habit.
* Flamenco radio shows/stations seem to come and go when travelling and searching on the car radio.

Lots of dodgy things go on around the far south. There's a massive black economy. Smuggling is a huge deal. Guardia Civil love a pump action shotgun road block looking for hash being smuggled from Morroco. Helicopters crash with 1 ton of drugs on board etc.

Some gitanos are horse breeders and you see them on ropes tied up on grass around towns etc.

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RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to Leñador)

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if I tried to talk about flamenco with random people at the bar or bartenders they didn't know much or want to talk about it.

I've had eye rolling and comments about "musica de abuelos" from a barman when mentioning flamenco - but then said he preferred Louis Armstrong - which is like the music of my Grandparents!

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Leñador

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RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to rafapak)

Yup! Same thing for me.
All the youth in the bars listen to regeaton, some rockers, but mostly regeaton, EDM and pop. When I wasn't doing "flamenco things" I just hung out with the rocker kids I met.

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RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to Morante)

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Podemos is not a communist party.

True. It is, however, a very left-wing populist party.

Bill

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RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to rafapak)

Go to Cadiz and get Morante roaring drunk for two days and he will likely find some flamenco.

If I had money, time to waste and a trip to Spain was in order, that is what I would do. Then to Jerez, ad that funey place Ricardo goes..San..lu, Barra...barra..a bar, yes that is it a bar. He goes to a bar. Then try Sevilla, Moron, Lebrija and Utrera.

Regaeton sucks, it's the only music I truly hate. Horrid, horrid stuff.

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RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to andaloosia)

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Guardia Civil love a pump action shotgun road block looking for hash being smuggled from Morroco.

Got stopped by them a couple of times at night in the hills between Granada and the coast. The drug runners use those rat runs apparently.

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RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to rafapak)

To me it seems there's most flamenco in sevilla and granada. There's also quite a bit of concerts in cordoba but less classes etc.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 5 2015 10:59:23

El Kiko

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RE: regions in Spain where flamenco ... (in reply to tele)

Honestly I prefer the flamenco in the smaller pueblos and places around outside of the cities...

yes ,you will get less,... but the people have much more time for you , and you will fit into the way of life .. not just the music , but the life that inspires the music ..

not suggesting that you you do this .. but i worked in the seasonal country work there is ..like uvas , aceitunas , ajo .. etc .. and you will find a lot of flamenco going on ....
for no particular reason ...just cos it is ....
you working then , for some reason , there is singing and palmas happening .. fun and changing the words around for a laugh ..
sure you can go to a bar later and get a guitar out ...
but if there is such a thing as real flamenco , the peoples music .. thats what it is ... to me ...rather than a big polished spectacle coming to town , and all big name people ...

just some locals , singing , dancing , eating have a bit of fun and repeating the songs that their parents sang in the same way ... keeping tradition alive ..

I much prefer that ... but thats just me ...

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