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When is something flamenco and when is it not flamenco?
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BarkellWH
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RE: When is something flamenco and w... (in reply to Anders Eliasson)
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Could it be that Sevillanas belongs more to Spanish "folk" music, as opposed to flamenco? Another thing, I have always understood that castanets are used by dancers much more in Spanish folk music and dances. They are rarely used in flamenco dancing. I guess what I'm driving at is, on the margins, does Spanish folk music sometimes bleed into flamenco, and that's why it is sometimes difficult to make a distinction? Of course, flamenco can be considered a genre of "folk" music as well. But for purposes of this conversation, I would draw a distinction between flamenco and what would be considered non-flamenco Spanish folk music. Don't know if the above makes sense, but it is something I have thought about, and this thread seems as good a place as any to introduce it for discussion. Cheers, Bill
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Date Jan. 9 2013 16:57:52
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mezzo
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RE: When is something flamenco and w... (in reply to shaun)
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A flamenco musician is a musician that plays flamenco, of course! I do not agree with this idea. A lots of of flamenco artist/musician could play or explore others fields. By doing this, they do not necessarily transform what they touched in gold (read flamenco). Raimundo Amador is a freakin good flamenco but when he plays blues or rock, he not performs flamenco imo. Tomasito is also a flamenco artist, but his 'back in black' version is not a flamenco one. Navajita Platea too with his 'noche de bohemia'... When Diego el Cigala sings Salsa with Bebo Valdes, he's not transforming the stuff in salsenco. Eventually there are a lot more example of this but that's what came to my mind atm! Also from my beginner POV, what determine what is or is not flamenco, it's my original education. I mean that as flamenco is not my culture, I'm a student at it. So I had teachers whom taught me what is and what's not in the first place. Then with the accumulation of knowledge, I could confirm or infirm what I was told about. e.g with sevillanas, I was quickly aware that it was outside the flamenco palos coz teachers and pro flamenco artists told me so. After that, what I read about and listen confirm me in this direction. I thought it was obvious for everyone, but then I realized that many others flamenco students consider sevillanas as part of the bizness. So we have an argument about and they tried to twist my mind, but I resist and continu to think that this form is not flamenco... It's pretty clear that we don't have the same original knowledge regarding flamenco. We came to it from different approches and with diverse tools to aprehend it.
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Date Jan. 9 2013 19:04:48
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