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 RE: The name "Flamenco" to... (in reply to NormanKliman)
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Thanks Norman
Interesting post
Just added this as had no real idea about Intangible Cultural Heritage
''Intangible Cultural Heritage means the practices, representations, expressions, knowledge, skills – as well as the instruments, objects, artefacts and cultural spaces associated therewith – that communities, groups and, in some cases, individuals recognize as part of their cultural heritage. This intangible cultural heritage, transmitted from generation to generation, is constantly recreated by communities and groups in response to their environment, their interaction with nature and their history, and provides them with a sense of identity and continuity, thus promoting respect for cultural diversity and human creativity. For the purposes of this Convention, consideration will be given solely to such intangible cultural heritage as is compatible with existing international human rights instruments, as well as with the requirements of mutual respect among communities, groups and individuals, and of sustainable development.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intangible_cultural_heritage
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Date Nov. 16 2010 14:26:44
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RE: The name "Flamenco" to... (in reply to mezzo)
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is it a good summary?
In my opinion, it was done with the best of intentions but with typically disappointing results. At least there are some scenes with good artists.
I might have missed it, but I didn't notice a single mention of compás or verse (meter, anonymous authorship, etc.) in the text or video. 
At 1:40, the narrator says, "To complete the picture, at the end of the 18th century, this original version of flamenco was further shaped by the dazzling personality of the gypsies. Since that time, for the people inhabiting the geographic triangle which lies between the mines of La Unión in Murcia, the pastures of Badajoz and the marshes of southern Andalusia, flamenco has meant much more than just beautiful and breathtaking music and dance."
So, they're stating that gypsies had nothing to do with flamenco prior to the late 18th century, and that flamenco subsequently developed in an area that doesn't include Cádiz, Jerez, Almería, Granada, Málaga...  When people talk or write about flamenco, the use of the word "triangle" is a strong indication that they've got their facts wrong.
EDIT: In all fairness, the author was probably trying to describe the area poetically, although IMO the context (of the document and the event) calls for more precise terms.
At 4:54: "In a similar manner, flamenco created the martinetes, those rousing songs of the forge to accompany the rhythm of the hammer striking the anvil (...) and the many other styles which were erased from memory when the activities which justified their existence were closed down."
It's been said that the blacksmiths probably didn't actually sing while they worked because of all the heat and smoke. A much more likely scenario is that they would party at or around the forge but not while working. Also, it makes no sense at all to confirm the existence of "styles which were erased from memory." 
At 5:58, there's an image of Juan Talega but they credit Pepe el de La Matrona. 
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Or will they have to be "fakemenco" guitars or "guitars suitable for percussive strumming" 
