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rombsix

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Farruca compas question 

I have always thought of farruca as consisting of an 8-beat cycle. However, just like buleria these days works as 6-beat cycles (instead of 12-beat ones), I was wondering if farruca can also work as 4-beat cycles. I have a farruca composed by my ex-teacher Michel Jureidini that does NOT work if it is thought of as 8-beat cycles, but DOES work if it is thought of as 4-beat cycles. Is his composition out of compas, or am I getting something wrong? Or do I need to post a video of what I'm talking about to make it easier for y'all to answer me?

Same applies to this buleria I came up with. Is it out of compas? I thought of it as 6-beat cycles, considering that as 12-beat cycles, I would say it's out of compas...

Please help!



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rombsix

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3) When not playing for dance, forget cuadrado, sometimes you will use it and sometimes you wont. Six beats is still in compas.


So from this, I understand that both my buleria, and my teacher's farruca are both alright. Correct?

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RE: Farruca compas question (in reply to rombsix

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I was wondering if farruca can also work as 4-beat cycles.

well I think the answer is yes, the following line is from paco pena toques flamencos book:
"Farruca is in straightforward 4/4 time"

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Ramon Amira

 

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RE: Farruca compas question (in reply to rombsix

I don't know what you mean by "four beat cycle." Farruca is in straight 4/4 time. So there are four beats to a measure. To speak of a "four beat cycle" is to speak of a measure. Farruca has one of the most clearly defined compas in flamenco. 4/4 time – four beats to a measure, a strong marked accent on beats one and three.

It makes much more sense to think of and to understand Farruca in terms of a cycle of measures, rather than a cycle of beats. Farruca traditionally goes in a sequence of eight measures. When played in the most common key for Farruca – A Miinor - the first four measures alternate between E 7th and A Minor, the fifth measure goes to D Minor, the sixth measure back to A Minor, the seventh measure E 7th, and the eighth in A Minor.

You can sometimes interject a two measure rasgueado passage between falsetas, but the basic compas is in eight measures, or sometimes in a multiple of eight.

When danced, the alternating E 7th and A Minor will generally go longer than eight measures before going into the D Minor, which brings a section to a close.

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RE: Farruca compas question (in reply to Ramon Amira

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It makes much more sense to think of and to understand Farruca in terms of a cycle of measures, rather than a cycle of beats.


Nice response!
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rombsix

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and very nice tremolo by the way.


Thanks!

Prominent Critic: I think I need to post a video / the score to show you what I mean...

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Ramon Amira

 

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Prominent Critic: I think I need to post a video / the score to show you what I mean...


Yes - if you get a few minutes please do. I'm curious to see what you mean. Your patients can wait - flamenco is more important.

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