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edguerin

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From: Siegburg, Alemania

letras

What's the exact meaning of "a la revolver"?

And "al sol le quitan la llama Y a la nieve le salpica" doesn't seem to make sense (or is it an incorrect transciption?)

Any help appreciated

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 12 2009 7:31:36

rmj

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RE: letras (in reply to edguerin)

In this link huelvapedia it says that "a la revolver" is a way to say turn around.
There is a letra thay says:
eres como la retama
amarga, dura y bravía
si al Sol le quitan las llamas
vente a la nieve fría

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 12 2009 8:12:24

Ramon Amira

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RE: letras (in reply to edguerin)

"La Revolver" is what a dancer uses on you if you miss a cue.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 12 2009 8:26:39

edguerin

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From: Siegburg, Alemania

RE: letras (in reply to rmj)

"turn around" doesn't seem to make sense in
"A la revolver
Cúantas plumitas tenía un gallo
Cuántas puñalaítas te den"

your version of "eres como la retama" makes sense but
"amarga, dura y bravía
tu eres como la retama
amarga, dura y bravía
al sol le quitan la llama
y a la nieve le salpica"
doesn't IMO

So maybe there's mistake in the booklet, and it should be
"y a la nieve le salpican" or "y a la nieve te salpican" or some such ?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 12 2009 8:42:54

edguerin

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From: Siegburg, Alemania

RE: letras (in reply to Ramon Amira)

quote:

"La Revolver" is what a dancer uses on you if you miss a cue

Or me on you

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 12 2009 8:44:12

Ramon Amira

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From: New York City

RE: letras (in reply to edguerin)

quote:

Or me on you

Actually, "you" in this context simply means "the guitarist." I previously mentioned on a different thread that if you miss a cue the dancer "will look daggers at you – if she doesn't actually throw a few." Daggers – revolvers – being an accompanist is a dangerous profession. That's why even though I've done a lot of dance accompaniment, I've always preferred to perform solo – I'd rather face a whole audience in a hall than the wrath of a female Gitano if I fell one beat behind.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 12 2009 9:20:53

rmj

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RE: letras (in reply to edguerin)

In this context "a la revolver" probably doesn't mean anything. It only serves
to establish a rhyme in "er":

a la revolver
las entrañitas de tu cuerpo se te arranquen
y no te vuelva a querer

a la revolver
el cigarrito te se apague
y no lo vuelvas a encender

I don't know if there is a mistake, but if you search in google "al sol le quitan las llamas" there are three links to the verse I have posted.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 12 2009 9:24:23

edguerin

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From: Siegburg, Alemania

RE: letras (in reply to edguerin)

Thanks for the posts.

I was referring to the letras of "Las fatigas mías" (tientos) as sung by Juana la del Pipa on the CD "Mujerez" and printed in the accompanying booklet.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 13 2009 7:09:16

rmj

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RE: letras (in reply to edguerin)

I have found this video:
What I understand is:

tú eres como la retama
amarga, dura y bravía
que al sol le quita la llama
y a la nieve le salpica

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 13 2009 8:10:43

veet

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Joined: Nov. 29 2004
From: L.A.

RE: letras (in reply to rmj)

quote:

al sol le quitan las llamas

sounds like "The flames go out on the sun" i.e. the sun is extinguished.
Llama as a noun means 'flame'

Not so sure about a la nieve le salpica, "they are splashed around the snow?"
Maybe poetic imagery.

'vente a la nieve fría' makes more literal sense, 'come to the cold snow'

Any native speakers, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong-
V

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 14 2009 8:57:20

Stoney

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RE: letras (in reply to edguerin)

I've been speaking Spanish for over 20 years and the good majority of Flamenco lyricis are totally lost on me.

Keep in mind that Spanish is a language that is constantly changing, and not necessarily for the better. I can't speak for the average Spaniard today but here in Mexico the language is literally disappearing.

Add to that the fact that Flamenco is to Spanish music what Blues or Country is to North American music, the song of the common folk - possibly uneducated or underprivlidged.

Mix in all the dialects (basque, catalan etc.) Your guess is as good as mine.

Stoney

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 14 2009 9:59:21

rmj

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RE: letras (in reply to edguerin)

Flamenco letras not always make sense, because some singers modify them, and because of this their meaning drifts away from the original. I like this example:

Cuatrocientos son los míos (corrido gitano) Manuel Agujetas

cuatrocientos sois los míos
los que comen de mi pan
y nunca los he repartido
de mañana se repartirán

doscientos pa los caminos
doscientos vais pal arrabal
y doscientos venís conmigo
para con mi tio hablar

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 15 2009 2:28:19

edguerin

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RE: letras (in reply to Stoney)

quote:

song of the common folk - possibly uneducated

like Manuel Caracol in "La barca de mis amores", where he clearly sings
" ... antifaz de treciopelo ... " instead of "... antifaz de terciopelo..." ?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 15 2009 8:43:42