Grisha, you fool, your picado lesson is all wrong...

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Ramirez

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Grisha, you fool, your picado lesson...

This is how PdL really does it, via the little known, yet highly effective "powerspeed" technique.

Now, all of you, go away, stop this "picado" **** and learn to do it like a real flamenco (really tense up that hand for extra speed - if you don't get some kind of serious injury within a few minutes, you're just not doing it right.):

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XXX

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RE: Grisha, you fool, your picado le... (in reply to Ramirez)

Good, but how would you call this technique? Its not thumb, its not alzapua... he is inventing new techniques... what a genius

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 13 2008 15:57:29

Ramirez

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RE: Grisha, you fool, your picado le... (in reply to XXX)

Beautiful. For it to work as well as this, the movement has to come from the elbow.

And of course, once you tense your thumb into paralysis, you may wish to take a knife and rub up it and down the string for a simlilar effect.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 13 2008 16:02:12

Ron.M

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RE: Grisha, you fool, your picado le... (in reply to Ramirez)

Wow!
At first I thought it was some kind of joke thing like the other guy on YouTube does dubbing over videos of famous guitarists, but....

He's actually giving a concert here!
Good crowd too!.....(I wonder what they are thinking?

)

cheers,

Ron

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 13 2008 17:12:05

Doitsujin

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RE: Grisha, you fool, your picado le... (in reply to Ramirez)

Why doesnt he become red while performing this?

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Pgh_flamenco

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RE: Grisha, you fool, your picado le... (in reply to Ramirez)

To perform like that in public--you have to wonder why his judgment is so poor.

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ddk

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RE: Grisha, you fool, your picado le... (in reply to Ramirez)

Wow! I seem to be wasting my time with lessons!

Dean

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ddk

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RE: Grisha, you fool, your picado le... (in reply to Ron.M)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ron.M

He's actually giving a concert here!
Good crowd too!.....(I wonder what they are thinking? )

cheers,

Ron

I hope they didn't have to pay for this!!!

Dean

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XXX

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RE: Grisha, you fool, your picado le... (in reply to Ron.M)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ron.M
At first I thought it was some kind of joke thing like the other guy on YouTube does dubbing over videos of famous guitarists, but....

if you mean this guy, then this is an interesting comparison

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Pgh_flamenco

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RE: Grisha, you fool, your picado le... (in reply to ddk)

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I hope they didn't have to pay for this!!!

Maybe he owns a software company and the audience members are all his employees--that would account for the applause at the end.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 13 2008 19:56:59

ddk

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RE: Grisha, you fool, your picado le... (in reply to Pgh_flamenco)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pgh_flamenco

quote:

I hope they didn't have to pay for this!!!

Maybe he owns a software company and the audience members are all his employees--that would account for the applause at the end.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 13 2008 20:45:08

Escribano

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From: England, living in Italy

RE: Grisha, you fool, your picado le... (in reply to Ramirez)

ahhh, good old cod flamenco - reminds me of those "lead guitarists" in bedrooms who discover that double stroking a plectrum makes them twice as fast

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HemeolaMan

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RE: Grisha, you fool, your picado le... (in reply to Ramirez)

well, lucky for us, he'll soon develop focal dystonia and we won't have to hear any new videos from him. i think it'd be funny if his fist got so arthritic it turned into a club lol.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 14 2008 0:56:51

hamia

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RE: Grisha, you fool, your picado le... (in reply to Ramirez)

Scary hand or what.

Clearly a loon - but nonetheless a grain of truth in what he says regarding movement from the middle joint.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 14 2008 11:05:53

itoprover

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RE: Grisha, you fool, your picado le... (in reply to Ramirez)

quote:

The inner voice says, "F*ck...."

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 15 2008 0:24:49

Pimientito

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RE: Grisha, you fool, your picado le... (in reply to hamia)

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Clearly a loon

You know guys...This is exactly the sort of thing that people said about Paco de Lucia when he first started to become known. A lone visionary, light years ahead of his time... no one could even see why he was a genius. They said it wasnt flamenco and they were right. Flamenco had to catch up with Pacos vision. I think we should all study those videos again.....we may well be glimpsing the future!!

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guitarbuddha

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RE: Grisha, you fool, your picado le... (in reply to Pimientito)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pimientito

quote:

Clearly a loon

You know guys...This is exactly the sort of thing that people said about Paco de Lucia when he first started to become known. A lone visionary, light years ahead of his time... no one could even see why he was a genius. They said it wasnt flamenco and they were right. Flamenco had to catch up with Pacos vision. I think we should all study those videos again.....we may well be glimpsing the future!!

Yup and the similarities don't end there either, eh Pimientito. Paco too was utterly utterly s#ite and made and a#se of even the simplest things consistantly.

Who knows maybe the next Leonardo da Vinci is right now in his mid twenties tracing over disney cartoons in green crayon to the delight of his awesrtuck friends.

I suppose we can never even hope to all have this kind of talent, so even in the future that you describe we won't all be able to play like that. But maybe thats for the best.

D.

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duende

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RE: Grisha, you fool, your picado le... (in reply to JBASHORUN)

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I sometimes use a purple crayon

i sometimes eat a crayon

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Ron.M

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RE: Grisha, you fool, your picado le... (in reply to JBASHORUN)

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Steady on, amigo! I sometimes use a purple crayon too, if that makes a difference...

Jb

cheers,

Ron

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Tim

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RE: Grisha, you fool, your picado le... (in reply to Ramirez)

I guess the user was embarrassed by all of the commentary on this thread or the comment threads on YouTube? All the original videos are gone.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 22 2008 18:12:22

Pgh_flamenco

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RE: Grisha, you fool, your picado le... (in reply to Tim)

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I guess the user was embarrassed by all of the commentary on this thread or the comment threads on YouTube? All the original videos are gone.

Thanks for the follow up, Tim.

Chalk up another one for democracy.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 22 2008 18:43:03

Haizum

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RE: Grisha, you fool, your picado le... (in reply to Ramirez)

That`s a realy improvisation, out of the moment, with the adventure as musician to create a music what never will be the same. Guests of the concert recognize this and feel also deeper in moments of life.. This is my special communication. Jason Jean

To who? ET

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