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RE: For those who don't have the tim... (in reply to Guest)
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You've said you're done with all of this like 100 times... Yet you still keep doing it...
yes because after i am about to let it rest someone else keeps challenging me on it and briging it back up.
hence this thread and your comment
my feelings havent changed, just my will and energy to pursue the subject.
So excuse me if this makes me appear like a trouble maker to you or anyone else but i was pissed off and wanted to discuss it, it came out in the open and after so many times of seeing it i wanted to adress it. I dont see myself as some kind of hero os savior however i would love it if this never ever happened again to me or anyone else here. but as long as we all conviniantly look the other way, we can make it dissapear for about a month .....so please forgive me
If this had been the only time something like this happened and i was the only one he picked on this conversation would have been long over, but its something reocurring. I seen this so many times that its predictable, he Says something, infuriates someone, goes quiet, the other person who is still angry dosent get any resolve or replie from him, so obviously hes still angry, then people tell him to move on , than he has too because otherwise he is the one who looks like he has a the problem ,then T comes back , gives a compliment to someone, things are normal for a litlle bit, then someone else gets burned.
you have no way of knowing how this feels until it is you getting burned, and then you wished someone like me spoke his mind or stuck up for you.
its really eazy to say move on until its you getting picked on.
so please , pardon me if i disturbed your peace
not you not Ron and not Ricardo have any idea what its like to be on the otherside of his mean comments so PLEASE forgive my attempt to just make trouble for the foro again.
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RE: For those who don't have the tim... (in reply to Florian)
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not you not Ron and not Ricardo
You said that in the other thread somewhere, but I guess you deleted it. I remember though, so you leave me with nothing to say. Thanks for singling me out as "todd's undying friend". Yeah, I have no idea what it feels like to be disagreed with, criticized or ganged up on. So I am not "allowed" to speak up. Fine, I didn't and won't.
RE: For those who don't have the tim... (in reply to Guest)
sorry i couldnt help myself. ill add some serious imput, i dont think anyone can argue with this:
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I seen this so many times that its predictable, he Says something, infuriates someone, goes quiet, the other person who is still angry dosent get any resolve or replie from him, so obviously hes still angry, then people tell him to move on , than he has too because otherwise he is the one who looks like he has a the problem ,then T comes back , gives a compliment to someone, things are normal for a litlle bit, then someone else gets burned.
Ricardo i dont think its a case of you been singled out as an ''undying friend" or whatever. i think the point being made was todd wouldnt dare speak to you with the same dissrespect he so flippantly hands out to others. how does this work? one person who is not as an advanced player its o.k to be rude to, yet another person who is a better player automatically gains 'respect'. respect for ones ability as a guitarist, and common human respect are two totally different things. common human respect is what this is all about(thats how i read it anyway)no one should have to earn anyone elses 'common human respect', although one can lose it through poor choices and/or behaviour, and even then we can all redeem ourselfs. todd can still redeem himself. although in todds defence, he is no where near as bad as i remembered he was a few years ago and i think he did make a conscious effort to address the issue.
i dont really know what brought it to a head cause i dont really read heaps of posts(only the entertaining ones), so i havent really read first hand todd saying any nasty stuff in threads of late that may have triggered this(accept for the nasty comments in the 'critisizing game thred' where him and flo where at each other, and it was going both ways).im just offering a logical perspective on what may be going on here.
i also dont think its right that todd gets a mob lyncing, this can lead to people just hopping in cause they find some fun in it.
RE: For those who don't have the tim... (in reply to Guest)
Dominic -
In all fairness, while Ricardo has supported Todd's points at time, that in my view is OK. Todd does have valid points. I don't think Ricardo is, or has at any time ever supported Todd's ill behaviour toward other people on the forum.
Ricardo's a nice guy, and one of the most consistently positive people on the forum. He is a shining example, or what Todd should strive to be. Which is a good player, who is helpfull and compassionate towards other players who are all struggling to improve.
I personally don't know Ricardo, and when I posted some pretty bad stuff in the past he didn't tell me - Hey that sucked, you should go burn your guitar! No, he came out and gave me some constructive advice. I really respect that. People who treat me in a fair way, are people I can respect.
Ricardo know's Todd in real life, and Todd probably is a nice guy in real life, it is his online persona which sucks. You cannot blame Ricardo in any way for occasionally saying Todd is NOT all bad. I think Ricardo is well intelligent enough to understand how Todd differentiates between people online.
Todd's main fault is that he is good, but belittle's others, and he is statusy to a fault. He never provides help to beginners, and he constantly hammers in a very negative way those at close to his level. Then he worships those who are better. It is in my view a pretty despicable characteristic.
He reads these threads and I think by now I'm sure he knows with little doubt how people feel. Watch the "user's viewing the thread" at the the top of the page "ToddK" appears from time to time.
Personally, I've said a lot of bad stuff about Todd in the last few days, I mean every word of it. But, if he came back and made an effort to not be nasty to people - to me it's totally forgivable. He can be a valuable forum member - I mean he does play the guitar well, and could certainly share in a usefull fashion some of his knowledge.
RE: For those who don't have the tim... (in reply to n85ae)
the only point i was making was todd wouldnt talk to ricardo with dissrespect, not that ricardo supports todds disrespect.please dont misunderstand my post. where all human we all have faults, were all quik to judge todd and label him a bad person. i dont think he is a bad person. he has a fault, i have a fault you have a fault. we should take care not to take out on him, what we despise in ourself.
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RE: For those who don't have the tim... (in reply to Guest)
Say what you want but imo the main problem ist that Florian doesnt ignore him.
How can one assume that he can get on well with 100 different characters from 100 different countries all over the world? Thats impossible.
After one or two fruitless attempts, i would simply ignore someone who gets too much on my nerves and would not even think one minute about beging him to be my friend.
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RE: For those who don't have the tim... (in reply to Guest)
Maybe you should read my posts before writing that i am a contributor to a todd bashing foro Btw, i dont think that this is a Todd (or anyone elses) bashing forum.
RE: For those who don't have the tim... (in reply to Guest)
Ah, I wasn't really serious. I'm posting this between doing stuff for work on my computer. The forum is mostly filler material for me between stuff for my job.
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RE: For those who don't have the tim... (in reply to Guest)
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you just did
I mean speak out IN DEFENSE of Todd, or rather that specific situation. Anything I would have said, obviously, would be written off as "oh, he is a friend of todd just like Ron, defending his golden boy". Hope you get what I mean. I just saying that wasn't fair.
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Ricardo's a nice guy
I have heard this several times from members, and receive several private PM's. To come clean and be totally honest, there are ex members that no longer post BECAUSE of some low blow gabs I have made, and just my general arguementative attitude on certain topics. Some members still post, but infrequently because of my pressence. On the old FT (flamenco teacher forum), the first time I was banned (out of 2x), the admin there emailed me a list of forum members that flat out refused to be members as long as I was on board. I am sure that is not what the members themselves wanted to happen, but it did, and with those individuals, it was walking on eggshells and avoiding certain arguements. That is what I have learned. Some of those on the list were or ARE members here too.
Despite what I have learned, I am who I am. Even recently there was something were Admin had to override and edit my post! Admin has their eye on me as much as Florian or Todd or whoever. So I dont' want anyone thinking that I am a butt kiss or just a polite guy, or even mr. Exemplary. I try to tell things honestly the way I see them. But some issues get touchy real fast, and I try to avoid, or carefully word (takes me an hour to type sometimes), that's all. Others type fast, hit enter than try to take it back or delete after it is too late.
RE: For those who don't have the tim... (in reply to Guest)
wow this whole thing is really opening up a can of worms. it seems many people have an axe to grind for whatever reason.maybe we should start a thred dedicated to people with greivences and they6 can bring them up there.that way we can keep it contained into on thred and stop it from spilling over into other threds all over the foro....hmmmm
RE: For those who don't have the tim... (in reply to Ricardo)
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Yeah, I have no idea what it feels like to be disagreed with, criticized or ganged up on. So I am not "allowed" to speak up. Fine, I didn't and won't.
lol
ok mibe that was a litlle unfair of me
but lets face it, you are in a tough situation, you are friends in real life, you live in the same city, you visit eachother, you know the other side of him, unfortunatly all i know is what i see here. I dont think hes evil, i never said that, but i am just not clicking with him, or he with me.
Honestly even if he did threat someone unafair and you tghout it was, you not gonna speak out against him and risk your friendship for the sake of someone online, you dont know , from another country, even if you yourself belived he was wrong. are you ?
to your credit, at times in the past i did see you hinting that perhaps is not the way to go.
but the duties as a friend and the duties as a member can get a litlle confusing when you are in the same city.
so its not that i dont respect your opininon i do, Alot !, but the situation you are in dosent always permit you the luxury of just saying exactly what you think even if you tghout he was wrong.
and hey, i would probably do exactly the same in your situation
I dont wanna pressume to know how you think or question your fairnes , but lets face it , you also have a duty as a friend.
fair enough ?
I do respect you and belive you and trust you but in this weird situation if you agreed with Todk i would question it because of the above things, if you agreed with me , would be weird between you and Toddk.... lets face it, you couldnt win no matter wich direction you went.
so i didnt wanna put you in this situation, and i never wanted to argue with you because i do like you, have always helped me, threted me with respect, just as i have always tried to do to you. I would hate for that to change because Toddk and i dont see eye to eye, so i tried to limit that possibility by saying " No need to defend him Ricardo" I really did think that would be the end of it.
but i guess we continued. my fault as much as toddk's, whomever, whatever its irrelevant now.
If i was "unfair" it was because i was tring to keep you as a friend in this sticky situation, and didnt wanna put you in a position where you had to chose.
And despite of what anyone else might think, i did make a last 3 page honest attempt to give myself a reason to understand and get on with Toddk, with him not responding or showing any kind of sign that it mattered to him as well, fueled my anger even more, but i tried to be as "fair" as i know how.
with all this beeing said, i made a promise to Simon, and i am done with the subject.
I will stear clear of Toddk all i ask is that he does the same to me.
RE: For those who don't have the tim... (in reply to Guest)
i think this is a forum. or at least was.
you know, the romans had a forum. they did stuff like talk about topics of general academic and philosophical interest, politics, theater..... useful stuff for the most part. they maybe did some learning
why the hell are we having a soap opera?
i like this foro, and i like all you guys, and i like talking about chocolate ice cream and flamenco, but seriously... come on!!!!
we can't even get along on the internet????? we dont even have to see each other in person and here we are bickering like a bunch of angry teenage girls.
frankly if i felt like hearing the "he said she said" of angry angsty teenagers i would've gone back to high school!!
let's be responsible people and stop picking fights. i would soooo love to hear what ricardo has to say about flamenco chairs, and i want to know shroomy's opnion on the worlds fastest clapper.
and flo, we need to talk about poo and farts some more, all this serious stuff is really breakin my balls here.
RE: For those who don't have the tim... (in reply to HemeolaMan)
u know how this things happen HemeolaMan
I felled Ricardo deserved a explonation
now you asked a question and I or someone else will replie to you
next thing you know it becomes a soap opera
I had no choice or mibe did and made a bad one, however theres absoluteley no reason for any of you guys expecially those who dont have direct fault or involvement or interest in this to be here on this thread and not Romeritos great thread.
Embarrasingly enough since i was in the midlle of this, I cant pretend it held no interest to me, i cant just go and post a tab thread or talk "poo" with you until i feel ready , which i now do, "talk tab" that is
its a thread, and those of us who were involved are talking things out, dont feel like you have to read it or be involved
better to do it here and now that it has arrised however unpleasent than ignore it and hold hostility towards eachother and let it come out in unrelated threads, where you dont know why its happening.IMO
complaining on a soap opera thread that its a soap opera dosent help in stoping it
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RE: For those who don't have the tim... (in reply to Florian)
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I dont wanna pressume to know how you think or question your fairnes , but lets face it , you also have a duty as a friend.
fair enough ?
Fair enough. If I had felt such a need to defend a friend, I would have done so. For the future, please don't pressume about me. I am just as easily prepared to go on the other side of whatever line I believe in, or defend myself against an entire forum. I have met in person several people from here, and will not side with or be afraid to disagree with any of them for only that reason. Todd does not live in my city by the way. I have argued with both Ron and Todd about things. I won't show favoritism, I promise.
@ Shroomy, I saw what you deleted. Yes that was a good example of how I am capable to lose my cool like anyone else.
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forgive my attempt to just make trouble for the foro again. 
, which i now do, "talk tab" that is 
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