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Paco E.
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From: Wieringerwerf, Holland
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 RE: Mario Escudero is fine and well (in reply to TANúñez)
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Hi Tom,
I made the tortilla today,
I've used:
5 Pre-boiled patatas, Garlic, (one slice) unions, 6 eggs, mushrooms. 1/2 Spanish pepper
plus small parts of bacon.
First fry the bacon, then the unions, musrooms, pepper and garlic.
Then fry the potatoes lightly.
Put it together, and add the stirred eggs.
Put a tapa on the pan, for 10 minutes, then bake it very soft within 30 minutes.
Add salt and pepper, if you like.
Taste as Spain.
Ed
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Date Jan. 24 2004 22:23:40
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Billyboy
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 RE: Mario Escudero is fine and well (in reply to zata)
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I used to think "Taco Bell" was a Mexican tellephone company :-) I heard about using loads of oil from a Chef, but never tried it myself, generally with food, the more fat or oil, the better it tastes, just ask Ron about 'deep fried Mars bars', I would love to know excactly how those Tortillas are made that you see in bars in Spain, where they cut you a wedge, and serve it with bread, love it. I like to wash it down with a glass of Orchata, which you just can't get anywhere in the UK.
Cheers
Dave
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Date Jan. 25 2004 16:18:28
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Miguel de Maria
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From: Phoenix, AZ
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RE: Mario Escudero is fine and well (in reply to El Craic)
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Tom,
I love flamenco singing and playing, but as far as the food--don't go there, man! The food here in the US, and especially south of the border is so much better than the Spanish stuff. Argg, the month of living there was terrible. Food very bland, all fried.... The tortilla they're talking about is pretty much like a heavy quiche, or maybe more like an omelette mostly made of potatoes! You can also get things there like fried anchovies, cured strips of ham that taste like--dry ham... Mexican food, while much of it is fried, is tasty because Mexicans know how to use spices. Yes, garlic and oil, but also a variety of different chiles and spices. Not to mention vegetables--I dont think they grow vegetables in Spain. I started feeling sick because all I was eating was ham, fried this and fried that... if you want a salad you'll get a few limp strips of iceberg lettuce and some soggy tomato slices. Trust me, if these guys had ever been to the US they'd be reminiscing about Tex-Mex, not Spanish cuisine!
I must say I liked the cheap wine and olives in olive oil. I have tried so hard to find un-brined olives here in the States and it seems to be impossible.
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Date Jan. 25 2004 16:52:23
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Billyboy
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RE: Mario Escudero is fine and well (in reply to Miguel de Maria)
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Now, to me, Mexican food, is like a load of regurgitated vomit, Tex Mex is probably even worse, As A.A. Gill a British food critique once said. "Mexico City, being a capital of considerable girth, is stuffed with restaurants, most of which, it appears, wouldn’t touch Mexican food with a gringo’s tamale. You can eat wonderful Argentinian, Italian, Spanish, French or Japanese food, but the local stuff is mostly in the grubby hands of those street stalls so beloved of travel writers and food explorers. If they’re so authentically scrumptious, why don’t they ever eat off them at home?" Nuff said. As far as Tex Mex, It must have been someone Jewish who invented that cuisine,it is a joke to charge money for "Chicken Wings", that most sane cooks would throw away, mentioning Tex Mex in the same breath as Spanish cuisine is a joke. Right were 's that punch bag LOL
Dave
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Date Jan. 25 2004 19:01:01
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Miguel de Maria
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From: Phoenix, AZ
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RE: Mario Escudero is fine and well (in reply to zata)
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Dave,
British food is very bland so it's not surprising that you like Spanish food! Mexican food is a true gem. French, Italian, Mexican--but Spanish! Come on, amigo... Spanish food is to Mexican food like Ottmar Liebert is to Moraito.
I have never been to England, but I did spend a couple weeks in New Zealand, which from what I hear, has a similiar cuisine. I was looking forward to trying out some nice lamb from the land of lamb... Needless to say, it was very disappointing, without flavour or art in the preparation. I have never had sausage that tasted so much like white bread in my life. The best thing I had in New Zealand was french fries!
I'm not sure what you mean by putting tex-mex and chicken wings in the same sentence. Tex-mex is simply a gringo-fied version of North Mexican cuisine. Now--Northern mexican cuisine, while flavorful, is certainly not the most complex or tasty food of Mexico. Mexican food features fresh vegetables, chiles, spices--which make it, in my estimation, superior to cuisine that features primarily potatoes, bread, and olive oil.
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Date Jan. 25 2004 19:50:49
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zata
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RE: Mario Escudero is fine and well (in reply to zata)
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Dish for dish, Spanish cuisine is French food without the silliness, and with olive oil instead of butter. Miguel, if you only know fried food in Spain, you may have had food in Spain, but it wasn't Spanish food.
Cocido madrileño, marmitako, esquiexada, ajoblanco, merluza a la vasca, escudella, pollo al ajillo, revuelto de ajetes with gambas, potaje de vigilia, huevos a la flamenca!, almejas a la marinera, escalibada, sopa de picadillo, carne a la riojana, bacalao con tomate, habas a la catalana, mojo picón, bacalao al pil-pil, cordero a la navarra, empanada gallega, judías con jamón, albóndigas, dorada a la sal, espinacas guisadas, fabada, trucha a la navarra, canelones....... Each of these famous Spanish dishes is a masterpiece in the hands of the average housewife, none requires exotic ingredients of any kind and none is fried.
And that's without getting into drinks and desserts or even rice dishes!
(I'm getting hungry  )
Estela 'Zata'
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Date Jan. 25 2004 20:10:48
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Billyboy
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RE: Mario Escudero is fine and well (in reply to Miguel de Maria)
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British food is blandish, fish and chips is what we gave to the world. and untill recently UK grub was terrible, but like anywhere in the world, each town has its gastronomic gems, where I live, I'm thinking 'Pie shops' but I had to laugh at your dried ham comment, I think that is commonly called "Palma Ham" don't know what the Spanish equivalent is, a "Jerky" might be somewhere similar, but having tried Beef Jerkies, I wouldn’t give them to my dog, now they are vile, Palma ham with melon is superb drizzled with first pressed extra virgin Olive oil Umm. To take your girlfriend or boyfriend to a Tex Mex restaurant, would not be a good idea, as picking the meagre meat from a chicken wing, not the nicest or romantic thing to watch someone do, Chimichungas come to mind, a deep fried Burrito no less. I'm going over the top though, like a lot of countries the real food is cooked in peoples homes, rather than in restaurants, I was looking at a Mexican cook book only yesterday, and I must admit it looked mouth watering, but whether the dishes were a chef's version and not real M food I dont know. All Mediterranean food is good and healthy, personally I very rarely eat Spanish, more Italian.
Cheers
Dave
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Date Jan. 25 2004 21:04:59
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Ron.M
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From: Scotland
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RE: Mario Escudero is fine and well (in reply to Miguel de Maria)
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Mike,
When I used to go to Spain, I had to try to make my money last as long as possible, so like for three months at a time I'd live on a diet of Churros & Café for breakfast, Bocadillo de Tortilla (de Patatas) for lunch and Judías Blancas con Pan for dinner.
Once, I was in a bar when I spotted an apple pie. Well more of an apple pastry thing that we have in the UK.
I tried to overcome the temptation, 'cos it would break the daily budget and it was rather expensive, about the price of a plate of Judías Blancas.
But the temptation proved too great, I could just taste that pastry with the beautiful apple filling, so I gave in and purchased one.
In great mouthwatering anticipation I bit into it, only to find it was stuffed with fish!
LOL!
Ron
p.s. You gotta admit though, the coffee is fantastic!
I'd give anything for a cup of Spanish coffee right now!
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Date Jan. 25 2004 21:30:00
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Thomas Whiteley
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From: San Francisco Bay Area
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RE: Mario Escudero is fine and well (in reply to Miguel de Maria)
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Originally, chile was used as a means to preserve food. Each Mexican state tries to out do the other to see who has the hottest chile. I cannot understand anyone eating chile! Why put something in your mouth that will cause you to loose your sense of taste, cry, have a runny nose, burn a new hole through your system, and cause you to pass liquid fire for three days?
There is said to be a chile grown in Fresno, California (where Juan Serrano lives), that is 10,000 times hotter than a Jalapeño.
A co worker of mine born and raided in Mexico took his wife to Mexico City for a vacation. They went to a Mexican restaurant the first day they arrived and were carried out due to food poisoning and spend more than one week in the hospital!
Some years ago I was trying to find a good Mexican restaurant in the San Francisco Bay area. I went to three of the ones who advertised good food. I got sick three times – very sick.
I asked my friend Tom Paloto who was from Mexico City, and knew my luck with Mexican restaurants, “Where can I get good Mexican food”! Tom answered, “That’s easy! My moms house”! 
To be honest I love good food regardless of where it comes from. I have had great Spanish and Mexican food.
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Tom
http://home.comcast.net/~flamencoguitar/flamenco.html
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Date Jan. 25 2004 21:46:28
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Miguel de Maria
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From: Phoenix, AZ
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RE: Mario Escudero is fine and well (in reply to zata)
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Estela "firecracker",
you are probably right. I ate fried tapas fare for a month, the two weeks prior to that I spent looking for the best restaurants in Barcelona, Sevilla, Madrid, Cordoba, and Granada. Just because I looked, of course, doesn't mean I found them... In Madrid I went to a famous restaurant whose specialty was revueltos with papas--eggs fried up with french fries. My steak turned out to be a fried, dark lump served with--french fries. Sevilla I found a few nice places, both on the Callejon de Agua... In Barcelona I went to a wonderful place with really experimental, avante-garde fare, and a snotty French-like waiter to boot. He was wearing a bad black suit, and didn't know what to think of me and my fiance. We probably looked like a couple yahoos, but we took his recommendations and got to try out some really interesting smelly cheeses and had a wonderful meal. In Granada we missed dinner but ended up getting a satisfying pena experience with Kate and Emilio Maya. In Cordoba, on the street that encircles the Mezquita, we went to some Gallo Rojo or something that was very nice and the first place that I heard any flamenco, let alone Vicente Amigo (!) being played over the airwaves. Everywhere else was just 70's era instrumental jazz!
By the way, if in Barcelona, never, never NEVER NEVER go to Patio Andaluz. Besides having the worst flamenco dancers/singers/guitarists ever, ever, who did everything short of playing Malagwaynya, the food was terrible. We spent like 150 Euros on bad wine that was supposed to be Rioja but wasn't, bad lobster that was smeared with a horrible mayonaise, no vegetables, and the everpresent lump of charred, fried something that was the steak.
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Date Jan. 25 2004 22:23:47
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Miguel de Maria
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From: Phoenix, AZ
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RE: Mario Escudero is fine and well (in reply to zata)
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Ron,
that is a great story. I tried a few things over there that surprised me too. What are the Judicias or whatever?
I remember getting the cold shoulder when I went into one of those Cafes in the morning in madrid. The early-risers stared at us, the late-night partiers stared at us, the bartender stared at us.
Tom W.,
chiles add flavor as well as heat. I love the flavor of chiles... occasionally I'll eat a pickled one for a snack. Eating hot food gives you pain which in turn gives you endorphins, a "chile high." When you eat food that makes you sweat, you get a mild euphoric feeling. Try it sometime!
Tom N.,
of course I don't really eat Tex-Mex either. Here in Arizona there is no shortage of real Mexican restaurants. But Tex-Mex can be a stepping stone to real Mexican cuisine, and it is better than "real" American food, as is Italian, French, and perhaps even Spanish...welllllll. By "real" American food I mean the bland stuff you might find in Wisconsin, meat and potatoes, using parsley salt and pepper as the only flavoring. Cajun and other ethnic-tinged American food I will exempt from my wide-reaching condemnations!
Dave,
sorry for going off on British food. It's not that much worse than American food. Most Americans go to an Italian or Mexican restaurant when they go out anyway! If you want a good Mexican cookbook, get the one called Mexico: One Plate at a Time by Rick Bayless. It features traditional dishes and a few modern ones too. Caveat: if you have a hard time getting fresh veggies then the recipes wont work. Also, they are time-consuming.
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Date Jan. 25 2004 22:31:38
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Ron.M
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From: Scotland
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RE: Mario Escudero is fine and well (in reply to Miguel de Maria)
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Mike,
I think the trouble was that you and your fiance went to "good" restaurants!
When I lived in Madrid, there were these cheap "family" restaurants that the locals went to because they could cook the food cheaper in bulk than you could do at home.
There was one on every street corner.
Anyway, the Spanish love being out rather than at home.
So the whole family would come down to dine, including the kids.
Even the poorest Spanish man has dignity, and would rather sit at a table with his family and read a menu and be served.
You talk about chicken wings, the restaurant I used to frequent did "pollo al ajillo" which was chicken knuckles done in garlic! (The poor don't waste.)
Years later, when I had plenty money, I took my new wife down my old haunts and into this particular cheap restaurant in Calle Lope de Vega.
She was totally impressed and amazed!
Clean, unpretentious, friendly waiters and very tasty but modest and inexpensive food.
The Spanish cheap restaurants were great at doing things like "Carne y Patatas".
The main thing is, don't question the carne, where it's from or even what it is!
Just "meat" in a delicious sauce.
Just enjoy! Dip your crusty pan into it and consume con gusto!
Like you, I don't like fried food, my favourite cheap Spanish dish was the Bean or Carne Cocidos!
Yum!
Ron
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Date Jan. 25 2004 22:51:16
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