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Florian
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RE: Americans bringing democracy to ... (in reply to gt)
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this is absolutely nonsence! So according to your theory we human beeings are all killers yes, why is that so hard to belive ? we eat beef and chiken, and we dont exactly wait for them to die of natural causes, or do the anymals that dont wear clothes and play flamenco dont count.. this is not my theory this is history , name a greate powerful empire that hasent attaked another country ? btw. does the Ottoman Empire ring a bell ? Romania really got screwed troughout history, they were attaked by every empire, Austro Hungarian, Roman, Ottoman, Natzis. I am saying that the strong will always pray on the weak. u make of it what ever u like, i know its not very nice but we not talking about what people should do and how the world should be we are talking about reality , of what people do and how they are, and even if you are 1 in a million. If u leave in a country that never invaded anyone its only because they not strong enough to do it, or its not within theyr interest , or they do it the "white collar way"(financial, sanctions, etc). I know sometimes its hard to see clearly when you are patriotic ( and very hard to do when you are in the midlle of it), do you really wanna see truth or just want others to see your truth. pretend that u have no ties with any countries and be objective and look at it as an outsider. not talking about any country now, just talking about a general picture of world polotics and history.
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Date Apr. 4 2007 8:51:18
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John O.
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RE: Americans bringing democracy to ... (in reply to Florian)
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Human beings are instinctively all killers. How many years have humans been on the earth and how many of those have been relatively peaceful? Humans today that are peaceful are because of upbringing, which is a product of the society we live in, which in turn was formed by religion and social structures created by governments. The problem is that in many cases while religion and patriotism keep the people peaceful amongst themselves, it causes them to kill OTHER PEOPLE! Public execution (who of you saw the Saddam footage?), stoning (join in the fun!), slavery and human trafficking, torture and burning of so-called "witches", hanging of blacks in the US because whites believed they weren't human (may I remind you that wasn't very long ago), the holocaust, the iron curtain, just last year Abu Ghraib... How could you think human beings are NOT killers?
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Date Apr. 4 2007 9:32:49
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RE: Americans bringing democracy to ... (in reply to JBASHORUN)
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wow this is a touchy topic, ill try a be careful. I would have to respectfully dissaggre with the human being a natural killer, rather power corrupts explains more of history for me.
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Date Apr. 4 2007 9:55:56
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RE: Americans bringing democracy to ... (in reply to Florian)
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we are all human and have weaknesses, but i hate to think we are NATURAL killers. I would have a very bleak outlook on life if i beleived that. Some are more prone to do dodgy things yes and others have chemical imbalances in their brain which makes them unaturally aggressive or antisocial or what ever u wanna call it, imo.
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Date Apr. 4 2007 10:03:49
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RE: Americans bringing democracy to ... (in reply to Florian)
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no, this would only explain a percentage i think. Its when one of those gets in power that things go pearshaped. If we had honest leaders and an honest system (which we dont)we would stand a chance to be civilised. As you say, the pack mentality can be dangerous. I dont think that means we were born to be killers it just means some are easily led. I do understand though your line of thought. For example, i dont think gearge bush is sane, he is a madman. He is getting close to hitler imo.
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Date Apr. 4 2007 10:28:00
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Florian
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These days we are so removed from the killing process that unless you are a soldier or a butcher the killing is done on your behalf and you never even see it. But ultimately, if you strip the social pretences away from every human, he is, at heart, an animal- like any other. I agree completly, remember noone is pointing at anyone saying you are a killer, and none of us like the idea, we all like to think that we are good people and we are, just as good or just as bad as eachother with ofcourse the exceptions of sick people. i am talking look at as as humans and at all of our history, and present day, any more proof u could not ask for
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Date Apr. 4 2007 10:40:24
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Florian
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I hate Darwins Evolution Theory dont know his theory , this is my own theory based on my opinion, made as a honest i possibly can look at ourselfs, and not looking at myself as florian from romania or australia but at myself as a human been, child of the world and for the sake of this exercise to make sure that my vision is not blurred or confused by nationality, race, religion, my parents ideas or Oprah Winfrey, the more i am able to lose my self identity the closer i am able to get to seeing something with wide open eyes. quote:
When you do something bad then you have a bad conscience. When you do something good then you have a good conscience conscience is formulated by your idea of right or wrong, your idea of right or wrong is formulated by the society around you. different societies have different opinions on what right or wrong is. again , u not wrong if u dont know it. because everyone around u is telling u that u are right. just like.. you not Lying, if you belive it killing. some people get medals for it and some people go to jail for it, just depending on what the society around them has established as right or wrong on ofcourse on the clothes they are wearing at the time of the killing ok, i think i am done with this anyway i dont mean to be pushy about my opinion, just kind of enjoyed this dont know why, i gues it always fun to take a honest look at myself sometimes kind of brings u right back down to earth. and always makes it a litlle harder to point your finger outwoods. the world is in the state is in today because of people, i am a people, or is it just the other people that are bad ? i meet a few people troughout my days and a very very few bad ones, most just a hole other lot of people just like me, yet we continue to have wars.
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Date Apr. 4 2007 10:43:15
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