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deyo

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Top flamenco tunes 

I hate these kind of descriptions but i don't know any other way to ask you what i have in mind...so, if you were allowed to bring only 2 flamenco songs with you on a far far far away...freakin desert island :)))) , which ones would that be ?

here is my choice : Paco&Tomatito&Camaron - Tu amor para mi no es fantasia
PDL - Cepa Andaluza

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Ricardo

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RE: Top flamenco tunes (in reply to deyo

Tercio de Vara-by Manolo Sanlucar
Jucal-Gerardo Nuñez
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sonikete

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RE: Top flamenco tunes (in reply to deyo

Jesus, what a nightmare, two songs on a desert island?

Potro de rabia y miel - Camarón
A Bulería from Raza y Compas - Fernanda y Bernarda


BTW Do you play Jucal Ricardo? I just learned it but some of the fingerings in the tab where a bit strange ..
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sonikete

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RE: Top flamenco tunes (in reply to deyo

I would have preferred being alone on an island with a guitar and two women instead
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Ricardo

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RE: Top flamenco tunes (in reply to sonikete

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Do you play Jucal Ricardo? I just learned it but some of the fingerings in the tab where a bit strange ..


Yep. The fingerings are mostly correct, but he has a few timing mistakes, if you are going by Faucher's book.

I made a discovery that Faucher makes DELIBERATE timing mistakes so he can figure out who steals his transcriptions. Interested in the story?

Any questions on specific fingering, just ask.

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Tomatito- a mi tio "el nino miguel"-bulerias

That would have been my 6th desert island choice.
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sonikete

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RE: Top flamenco tunes (in reply to deyo

I usually rely more on listening to the recording than on tabs, but i wanted to get that solo right. Because its one of my all time favorites

It was mainly the part at 00:45 in the beginning, there are some broken chords in the tab and an awkward position shift in a way classical guitarists might do. I play that part using whole chords and an open string instead and that feels a lot smoother, so i wondered if you did it at the masterclass with him, and know the way its supposed to be, I cant really tell from the video at that speed.

Funny if faucher wants to track down who copies his transcriptions, id like to hear the story, i have seen copies of his tabs taking classes from guitarists from granada to madrid so he will have to hunt down some fine guitarists..
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Ricardo

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It was mainly the part at 00:45 in the beginning, there are some broken chords in the tab and an awkward position shift in a way classical guitarists might do. I play that part using whole chords and an open string instead and that feels a lot smoother, so i wondered if you did it at the masterclass with him, and know the way its supposed to be, I cant really tell from the video at that speed.


If you are going by Faucher's book, page 32, then yeah it is correct. The C#m7, barre 4th, reach up to 9th fret, then jump down to 2nd position barre 2. That is correct. Not a hard jump really. You are "riding" the contra beat, so you have a full beat to make that jump.

You saw that spot in the youtube video right? Because he is barring, you have to play E on 5th fret. I guess it is not wrong to use the open string and let go of the barre, but that is not what he does. It is a very typical "flamenco" thing to hold the barre and position and reach for notes. Only thing is I think he plays open E WITH the B bass note the first time. Faucher has only the base note. The B maj7 is not barred. Then the next measure A#m7b5, and he does a little different nowadays than written. Not clear what he plays on CD, but this is what I play there:

E---------------------------------0----
B-5--------------5---------4----------
G-6--------------6---------6---------
D-----6----------6---------5---------
A---------------------------------------
E----------6-----------5--------------

Hey...that sounds jazzy.
Here is the vid again, he plays that part towards the end. But it is playback remember.


The part you want is at 1:07. Hey I just saw he keeps the A# in the bass like Faucher has it. But I like my way. "ricardo style".
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RE: Top flamenco tunes (in reply to deyo

La Barossa
Bulerias de la Perla (camarón)

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quote:

Hey...that sounds jazzy.


Ha ha ha, well some people get away with it ... Thanks!
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Ricardo

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RE: Top flamenco tunes (in reply to duende

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La Barossa


That would have been number 3 for me. Number 4 Soniquete from Zyrab. Number5 Maria Vargas live with Paco Cepero por bulerias.

Why can't I just take my 60gig IPOD and a solar powered battery charger to the desert Island?

Ricardo
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RE: Top flamenco tunes (in reply to deyo

Can I get a "hollaz" for Serranito's Tarantas?

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duende

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RE: Top flamenco tunes (in reply to Ricardo

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Why can't I just take my 60gig IPOD and a solar powered battery charger to the desert Island?


now, that would be to much jazz!

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TANúñez

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RE: Top flamenco tunes (in reply to deyo

Man I would be screwed then because I just can't pick two. I love so many I wouldn't be able to decide which two.

Something by Tomatito or Moraito, and something off Ricardo's rumba CD, Azul y Blanco. Seriously Rich. If you read this, it's a damn good CD. It's been in my car stereo for I don't know how long now. Put's me in a great mood. So, if I was stranded, something off this cd would make it barable(sp?)

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Ricardo

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RE: Top flamenco tunes (in reply to TANúñez

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something off Ricardo's rumba CD, Azul y Blanco.


hmm, if I was stranded on an island with THAT, I think I would just have to end it.
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Aw don't say that. It's good man. You have any plans to come out with something else? Flamenco album?

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Hopefully, agujetas and rafael de utrera would be on the same plane as me. We would all survive and I would be forced to learn how to accompany well.

Sounds like a freakin nightmare! I think you would be killed and eaten very quickly. Funny about Agujetas vs Raf. Utrera. I have a personal story, but maybe one day I will tell it, not now.
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I would be scared of Agujetas

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Trapped on an island with Agujetas sounds scary. Maybe safer with Diego (nice one missing a finger) than Manuel. I mean the guy (M. Agujeta) is perfectly happy singing Martinete, he doesn't need a guitarist to live there eating his coconuts a pestering him about all the different Solea! And maybe you did not hear the rumour of how he beat up his guitarist that gave him a wrong chord?

I would prefer to be trapped on the island with La Singla, who of course got caught in a time warp in 1967 first before washing up on shore, 2006.
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RE: Top flamenco tunes (in reply to deyo

Vicente Amigo: El Mandaito

Agujetas and Moraito: Solea
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