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Ron.M
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From: Scotland
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 RE: ElFlamencoVive.es (in reply to duende)
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Well I'm sorry too Henrik..
That's the way it goes..
I'm pretty sure I could "sell" my attempts at Flamenco to some folk in the village here after maybe playing a couple of well rehearsed numbers at the village hall on a Friday night...
(Friday Night in Newtonhill...Scotland!!...  )
But really, does anybody who is still having to go back and count compás, who has never played for a singer or dancer and isn't part of the Spain grapevine of guitarists really think that they are going to take on the greats and not-so-greats in Andalucia by producing a CD of their stuff?
Gimme a break...
Those who have pierced the culture have made themselves known to the Flamencos through, well, really dedicating their lives to it, through their work.
Names that come to mind are Amir Haddad, Tino de (something).... ...
There you go...I can't even remember his last name now...Van der Smamm, or something....
To make it from that level up to Paco de Lucia (who's name I always seem to remember)
takes a ****ing ..LOT!
Not by fumbling your way through tabs of his compositions IMO.
Most of us are not even on the level of Amir or Tino...
Who, REALLY, wants to buy a CD of somebody who got really excited because they managed to get a complete Bulerias done totally in compás?
I'm not meaning you Henrik...but generally.
I'm not trying to do down the enthusiasm and talent that some folk have here..
If you are talking about loving Flamenco guitar for it's passion and challenge, then great.
But if you are talking about putting your recordings from your bedroom against the World's best...and trying to compete for sales...
Forget it.
Just enjoy and practise.. IMO..
Sorry for the reality check!
Ron
PS: I'm definitely sure Ricardo is going to disagree with me here
I just have that kinda feeling... 
Ricardo... I think he's on the level of the pro's.
Not famous...but on that level..really solid player.
ToddK?
Well...Todd's just the wildcard here...
I don't know how he does it but IMO he's a bloody genius!!
I'd buy his CD tomorrow!!
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Date Jul. 11 2006 22:34:01
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Miguel de Maria
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From: Phoenix, AZ
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RE: ElFlamencoVive.es (in reply to Ron.M)
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Ron,
well, I guess me, Henrik, Ricardo, and Jon should all just pack it in since a grumpy Scotsman has decreed that we're never going to be as good as Paco. Heck, someone might as well tell Juan Martin, too. The party is over. We should get together and burn our Condes and stop living this terrible lie.
I'm glad Todd has escaped your godlike judgement, though. Todd, in case you haven't noticed, you now have permission to make an album.
[PS, Henrik, Ricardo, Jon don't take this post that I think I'm as good as you guys :)]
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Date Jul. 12 2006 0:51:05
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Jon Boyes
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RE: ElFlamencoVive.es (in reply to Ron.M)
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ORIGINAL: Ron.M
I just don't see the point of learners like me, making a CD that's going to sit alongside CD's of Paco, Manolo, Moraito etc etc, on a sale-or-return basis, unless it's just to point out to everybody..
Haven't posted much recently, been busy finishing my CD. No, really!!
Had to come in on this, though.
Personally, I wouldn't dream of recording and selling a 'flamenco' CD right now. Maybe in the future, who knows, but the standard is just SO high in this particular genre I would feel a little ridiculous. That's a personal thing.
However, I have no problem releasing a CD of my own music, that's influenced by flamenco or whatever else. I think I write a good tune and so many people have asked me for a CD of my music over the years I would be mad not too. I am running a business after all.
I disagree with Ron's views of musicians making their own CDs in general:
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ORIGINAL: Ron.M
In the old days, you'd have to convince a Record Company that it was worthwhile making an investment in you, so an Agent would be sent along to look at your concerts and judge the reaction etc.
So at least there was a bit of third-party filtering.
These days anyone with a bit of computer savvy can sit in their bedroom and make a CD.
Well yes, times have changed and the technology has enabled artists to be their own producers, set up their own labels etc.
Does that mean lots of crap gets recorded? Yes of course, but ultimately the market decides how well a product does. Also, plenty of crap gets recorded by artists who HAVE been 'spotted' by A&R men and given contracts.
Heard of this guy, Ron?: http://www.sethlakeman.co.uk/ He's one of the UK's best selling folk artists, he was a finalist for the Mercury prize last year (ie the industry's own award) for best album, which he recorded himself in his kitchen at a budget of £300. He was up against Coldplay, Kaiser Chiefs etc, ie Big bands on big labels.
Heard of the Artic Monkeys? Again, a huge act on the UK indie/rock scene, who launched their own music, building up a following on the internet.
Jo Satriani financed his first recording himself, so did the Darkness (just off the top of my head).... both later got snapped up by major labels.
So I don't buy the implication that home recorded music, or even musicians financing their own recordings which is pretty much the same thing, means it is inferior. Cream will always rise to the top.
I think its a good thing that musicians now have greater scope to produce and market their own work, its empowering. The good stuff will sell, and less of the profits go to the fat cats that run the recording industry and basically maintain the status quo ("..hey looks like boy bands playing punk-pop are popular right now - quick, go and sign up a few more!").
There is also now the potential for a closer relationship between artist and their audience via the internet thanks to this revolution in the way the industry works.
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Date Jul. 12 2006 15:23:22
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Miguel de Maria
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From: Phoenix, AZ
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RE: ElFlamencoVive.es (in reply to Ron.M)
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Well, I'm not making a sampler CD and it doesn't have my songs on it, but I still am going to make it and make some money with it. And it's not even flamenco and it's not competing with Paco. I see it more as a bridge to Paco, maybe a way for the average joe or jane to hear solo guitar. Hopefully they'll be inspired to check out people like Paco, Segovia, John Williams if they like my stuff (and hopefully buy a second album too). Heck, hopefully someone will like it and ask me to sell cheap guitars on TV or make insurance commercials. Actually, I think it would be more fun to get on film somehow--Maybe play Johnny Depp's uglier brother.
I think the "good ol days" were pretty bad. Sure, there was a filter that allowed only the top non-pop acts to get through. But that filter also meant that the rest of those non-pop acts were more likely to have to cut hair for a living. So, it wasn't a creator of quality as you suggest Ron, but something that stifled the general pool of working musicians. Although it didn't and still doesn't seem to encourage or create greater skill or ability in pop musicians, does it?
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Date Jul. 12 2006 15:33:52
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Miguel de Maria
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From: Phoenix, AZ
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RE: ElFlamencoVive.es (in reply to Ron.M)
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To be honest I didn't know anything about Manitas except a few clips here adn there. But yesterday I was at a music store and they had a CD with three "Spanish" guitarists. One, Alirio Diaz, was from Venezuela The other Angel Romero, was raised in LA to my knowledge. And the other, Manitas de Plata, is from France!
Anyway, which one of these guys doesn't belong? You had these two classical players, at the top of their game, playing majestically, and then this gutteral and arrytyhmatic pounding on the guitar from the other. The alegrias, bulerias, tangos...quite horrible really. The one positive is that he had a lightning fast picado! He usually hit about 70% of the notes but the rest were quite spectacular.
By the way, Angel Romero can really play.
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Date Jul. 13 2006 14:30:16
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RE: ElFlamencoVive.es (in reply to Ron.M)
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had a long long wait from flamenco world from a previous order so looked elsewhere...
elflamencovive was suggested here in a previous post so i emailed them asking about availabilty of the Miguel Angel Cortes encuerto dvd...
emailed back in an hour.....
hopefully will be here soon unlike the 3 month wait from flamenco world
also had a positive response from la sonanta but did'nt have the item in stock....
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