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RE: My blanca sounds not good in spa... (in reply to Manitas de Lata)
I am with Echi on this. Vast space, small sound. It goes that way for all instruments and all amplifiers. That is because the sound does not have the power to reflect back at the player's ears. And this is one of the reasons musicians need monitors in concerts.
Even if you played electric guitar on an open space situation, let's say a stadium, and had a huge amp facing away from you, you would hear a very weak and bad sound. You need a monitor with the sound pointing your head to have a chance to hear a bit better.
There are of course exceptions. There are big rooms with great acoustics that make you sound super. Here in Greece we have some ancient open theaters that have a built in monitor system you would say, because of the acoustics.
RE: My blanca sounds not good in spa... (in reply to Echi)
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Simple answer is that in a small room the sound waves produced by the guitar are reflected back to the player , which gives him the idea of a loud and full sound.
It depends. When you play guitar in a small room full of clothes, blankets and curtains, there will be less reflection back to you. Clothes and curtains absorb the sound and make the guitar sound dull.
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RE: My blanca sounds not good in spa... (in reply to devilhand)
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ORIGINAL: devilhand
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Simple answer is that in a small room the sound waves produced by the guitar are reflected back to the player , which gives him the idea of a loud and full sound.
It depends. When you play guitar in a small room full of clothes, blankets and curtains, there will be less reflection back to you. Clothes and curtains absorb the sound and make the guitar sound dull.
ever been in a recording studio? What is on those walls? Yes they WANT your guitar to sound "dull".
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RE: My blanca sounds not good in spa... (in reply to Ricardo)
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ever been in a recording studio? What is on those walls? Yes they WANT your guitar to sound "dull".
When I bought my first guitar in Paracho, Mexico in 1957 I noticed that some sellers were going for the opposite effect. Since I knew nothing about guitars, my friends had given me two pieces of advice. Deal with Ramon Zalapa, and pick the loudest one.
Zalapa sold guitars, office furniture and paint. His showroom was fairly large and contained all three. The whole main street of Paracho is lined with guitar stores and workshops. I checked out Zalapa's, then went up and down the Avenida Independencia, pricing and trying guitars.
In a few places the instruments sounded better to me, but prices were higher. Eventually the penny dropped. In the more expensive places you were led into a fairly small room to try out instruments. Invariably the floors were stone, tile or terrazo, the walls and ceiling were plaster. Reverberation made the guitars sound better.
I took my friends' advice and bought a guitar from Zalapa. Comparing it to other El Cheapos when I got back home, I concluded that my friends were right.
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RE: My blanca sounds not good in spa... (in reply to Richard Jernigan)
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ORIGINAL: Ricardo ever been in a recording studio? What is on those walls? Yes they WANT your guitar to sound "dull".
The recording engineer(s) may add artificial reverb. Fairly often it's too much, and seriously damages the sound.
Some of my favorite classical guitar recordings are a notable exception to the dull acoustic. They were made by Julian Bream in the highly resonant Wardour Chapel, near Bream's country home.
The Roman Catholic Chapel is an integral part of Wardour Castle. It was enlarged and remodeled in 1789 to an elaborate design by John Soane. The walls and ceiling of the fairly large room are plaster and marble.
I have seen a photo of Bream seated with his guitar just behind the altar rail. In front of Bream are a pair of microphones. Nearby is the well known recording engineer and speaker designer John Bowers, tending two portable tape recorders and smoking his pipe.
I carried the CD with me on my travels. When I had time I would use it and others to audition hi-fi equipment. It sounded very good on some systems, pretty bad on others. It took me a while to figure out why.
On systems that presented a good stereo image, the sound had Bream seated between the speakers, with the natural reverberation well separated. Bream's playing was clearly articulated, surrounded by a halo of reverb. On systems which imaged poorly, the reverb was smudged over Bream's playing, sounding muddy.
I have read reviews of these recordings which praised the sound, and others which criticized it. I concluded that it depended on how good the reviewer's playback system was.
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RE: My blanca sounds not good in spa... (in reply to AndresK)
It turns out that the function of those instruments is similar to that of in-ear monitoring. I always thought they were some recording equipment used to record surround sounds
RE: My blanca sounds not good in spa... (in reply to hxwhf72752003)
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Nice church. I can imagine the reverb in it. It must be ethereal
Gerardo Nunez in his prime was out of this world. He plays Trafalgar in a church. I'd have liked to hear him playing this in a smaller room without a mic.
RE: My blanca sounds not good in spa... (in reply to Richard Jernigan)
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Some of my favorite classical guitar recordings are a notable exception to the dull acoustic. They were made by Julian Bream in the highly resonant Wardour Chapel, near Bream's country home.
The Roman Catholic Chapel is an integral part of Wardour Castle. It was enlarged and remodeled in 1789 to an elaborate design by John Soane. The walls and ceiling of the fairly large room are plaster and marble.
I love the Sir John Soane's museum in Lincoln's Inn Fields, an amazing place. My partner volunteers at Pitzhanger Manor which was his 'Country' home in Ealing. Lovely building.
It is a lovely sound in some of his videos.
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RE: My blanca sounds not good in spa... (in reply to devilhand)
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Nice church. I can imagine the reverb in it. It must be ethereal
Gerardo Nunez in his prime was out of this world. He plays Trafalgar in a church. I'd have liked to hear him playing this in a smaller room without a mic.
I interlaced the original Nokia phone audio with with Pimiento's mini disc audio recorded with mic pretty close to the guitar. So imagine the main sound is the natural guitar in front and the echo is from the SPEAKERS you can' hear way behind you at the back of the room.
Here is another version where the first 40 sec. you hear the pure audio from the Nokia phone video then I replace the audio with Miguel Ivan's recording that he took from way at the BACK of the church near the speaker (in other words the sound the microphone was grabbing). You can hear his nails attacking the strings better, but the speaker is a filter of the guitar's natural sound you are not getting (extra bass mainly).
you can compare all this to the studio audio if you want, that is over compressed so zero dynamics like you experience here (even with compression/limiting going on it very different). I have no filters so no clue why it won't display (it is my video LOL). Watch on YouTube
This "church" originally auditoria de Merced, is now "auditorio de Manolo Sanlúcar", and we can no longer use it for classes, which is a shame, and almost delberate I feel. (Manolo used to not be keen on Nuñez setting up camp in "his" town, but got over it later on).
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