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RE: Which is your favorite groovy bu... (in reply to Ricardo)
Why? What did I say so wrong ? Moraito is a good player but his bulerias doesn't swing. It's the same old compas after falsetas, doesn't mean he plays bad.
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RE: Which is your favorite groovy bu... (in reply to metalhead)
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Why? What did I say so wrong ? Moraito is a good player but his bulerias doesn't swing. It's the same old compas after falsetas, doesn't mean he plays bad.
Basically, you don’t know what swing is then.
Perhaps what you think groove means has to do not with rhythm but is simply “interesting in a non standard way to me”.
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RE: Which is your favorite groovy bu... (in reply to metalhead)
It doesn't get better than Moraíto when it comes to feeling flamenco. He's also not that difficult to play, anyone else I could say are definitely more tricky. You can look around in traditional flamenco what you like, by modern standards most of those guys composed easier material (often at insane speeds, so maybe not that easy - see Yerai Cortés for someone who uses traditional material in a modern context).
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RE: Which is your favorite groovy bu... (in reply to xirdneH_imiJ)
I agree. I think Moraito's Bulerias are easy for newbies and sounds good. When I improve my skill and feeling of compas, I like Diego del Morao's Bulerias
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RE: Which is your favorite groovy bu... (in reply to xirdneH_imiJ)
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He's also not that difficult to play, anyone else I could say are definitely more tricky.
I have heard this exact sentiment my whole career and have to disagree with everybody. Very few can play like he is playing, and I mean from a technical view point, the physical technique. He plays some familiar Paco type things slower, but it is by design to add a swing that is actually harder to do physically. By contrast I hear “Nuñez is too hard, virtuoso stufff….I prefer the aire and ease of Moraito” etc. Having studied both it is exactly the opposite. Perhaps the arpegio of Nuñez was more refined, but interms of basic technical aspects, Moraito stuff is just as hard for me to get right….or harder in some cases.
Basically it comes down to rhythm. Once you get the rhythm things are fun and easy to play. People hear a fancy left hand move, flourish or whatever and assume that is harder than doing a rasgueado. It is not. I hear people play the left hand correct of Moraito but what the heck are they doing with right hand that it sounds totally wrong? It is not easy to get that rhythm and dynamics. It is getting there that is the challenge. Paco de Lucia has many easier things than Moraito. Perhaps MENTALLY, the musical concept and direction of Moraito falsetas are crystal clear compared to some others, however physically? Good luck.
Here, I would love to hear ONE other guitarist (who says Moraito stuff is easy compared to any other) playing this falsetas at 3:39 with the triplet picado etc., just has he is doing here with perfect timing and accuracy. Let’s see it?
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RE: Which is your favorite groovy bu... (in reply to metalhead)
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1.) The falseta is way way way over played by him as well as lots of other people
There is no such thing IMO. And show me one person other than him that is nailing it.
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2.) Triplet picado, it's just on a few notes so it shouldn't be too difficult
As they all say.
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Do you have a different falseta by him
Please, choose and demonstrate since they are so easy. It is what I keep hearing about, but at the end of the day only certain Maestros I have seen execute his material correctly.
RE: Which is your favorite groovy bu... (in reply to Manitas de Lata)
[quote Manitas de Lata]maybe Diego Del Gastor will be easier [/quote]
You think it's easy to get his vibe, innate timing and power?
[quote metalhead]Diego del gastor? Groovy? Bulerias? Are you serious? [/quote]
Are YOU serious? This bloke has funk pouring out of every pore and orifice. Pure filth. He's the funkiest flamenco I've heard, deep, glorious, and wonderful to behold. You should hear his siguiriyas.
Also, I love this Moron bulerias style. I have been learning some of this lately, a lot of it taken from this very video. It is so damn funky.
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RE: Which is your favorite groovy bu... (in reply to Ricardo)
His son plays it pretty well :-) As you know Tino is a big Moraito fan, and he agrees that his stuff is as difficult as anyone's to get right. I remember when we did a challenge with this falseta and I didn't upload anything because of that stupid little picado that I couldn't get sounding good at tempo.
As far as this live performance, it's one of my favorite solo guitar ones. Just full of groove and swing. He could have kept going for an hour. The guy played for top artists his whole life.
I have to admit when I first got a solo record, I wasn't that impressed but that opinion changed quickly the more I listened to him.
His influence is so great that there is a whole school of guys following in his footsteps.
The same can be said of Diego del Gastor but I have to admit that in spite of being from the Bay Area, which is full of Moronies, that style isn't my favorite. If Diego had been the guy that I was told represented flamenco guitar playing, I doubt I would have pursued it.
But I was influenced by his personality, as described by Porhen. At the time I read that book I was a musical mercenary and I was taken by his rejection of the business of music. I really admired that and it had an impact on my view of music and the music business.
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ORIGINAL: Ricardo
There is no such thing IMO. And show me one person other than him that is nailing it.
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2.) Triplet picado, it's just on a few notes so it shouldn't be too difficult
As the all say.
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Do you have a different falseta by him
Please, choose and demonstrate since they are so easy. It is what I keep hearing about, but at the end of the day only certain Maestros I have seen execute his material correctly.
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