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ADVICE NEEDED Hairline parting to centre top on a 1960 handmade guitar
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Ricardo
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 RE: ADVICE NEEDED: Hairline crack on... (in reply to silddx)
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It's such a shame the guitar has been neglected
To be totally honest, with exception to Ramirez that has a work around, I have never seen a guitar that did not have the same type of “damage”. When a fingerboard shrinks (and you can’t stop it from happening unless you never play it and just store it swollen with H2O at all times) it pulls the wood it is glued to with it. Ramirez, knowing the impossible to prevent reality, admitted to not glueing the sides of the fingerboard; only the middle, so the cracks end up being invisible underneath the ebony.
Many Luthiers insist on repairing these and of course they can get worse if they extend toward the soundhole, which stops the split, unless the Rosette also splits (especially if they are just stickers  ). The soundboard seam split is also common and if there is a brace there it is not a problem unless it splits the beam and goes under the bridge making bad harmonics. Again, these types of crack are so common, that they should not be resulting in the devaluation of high end or vintage instruments. Making it a big deal on low end student guitars less then 1k, is I guess the only arena I can see it make or break the deal. If I really liked the sound I would not care about them at all, but try to get a reduction of price anyway. I have said it before, if I am ever handed a pristine guitar crack free, I refuse to play the thing. I think it is bad luck. Every guitar needs some ding, scratch or split somewhere to warrant hard playing IMO.
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Date Jun. 8 2024 18:22:03
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Firefrets
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RE: ADVICE NEEDED Hairline parting t... (in reply to silddx)
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A lot depends on what you can do yourself and your agenda for buying.
The guitar comes with a hard case, and overall cosmetically she looks in good shape although I suspect the final price by the time you pay the auctioneer will be considerably more.
While close inspection is a bonus, the peg holes look ok at a glance, even if the pegs probably need a bit of work.
The separation at the seam is unclear from the pictures I can see. Sometimes you have a fan running along the seam which prevents cleating, but it could still be a simple glue job. My guess judging from the shadow is that's had a repair already, which can be a good thing or a bad thing.
You have a soundboard crack which will need a bit of attention, and an area of binding at the waist if fussy.
The crack next to the fingerboard doesn't look too bad. Again, a bit of glue, or worse case scenario a thin inlay, but easy to hide there.
The saddle looks quite low. The stated action seems fine but until you have it on your bench you'll never really be able to assess.
A 55mm nut isn't going to suit everybody. Even if they say the frets are ok they'll still need some work, as always do.
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Date Jun. 10 2024 9:44:12
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Firefrets
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RE: ADVICE NEEDED Hairline parting t... (in reply to silddx)
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What is your budget? I can sell you plenty of guitars that need no work (all done / didn't need any) if you can afford them. If you want to pick a guitar up 'cheap' then sometimes you have to take a risk.
I'm sure Stephen Frith is wonderful at what he does, but also understand that a builder who does occasional repairs, isn't going to be as fluent as somebody who repairs every day, yet likely to be 3 times the price, as you are delaying their personal schedule. There must be a wealth of repair talent in London.
Nothing 'that I can see' on that guitar is going to be expensive to repair. If you insist on perfection, then you are going to have to pay more. The gluing is something that can be done in a few hours. If you then want to start finish work then the price goes up. She's a 1960 guitar, and doesn't need to be perfect.
Having said that, I think the guitar is one of many that can be found at these type of auction sites, and you have to pay 26.4% extra (at least) on top of what ever price the winning bid arrives at.
If fully restored, providing she sounded ok, I'd probably sell the guitar for a couple of grand. If simply repaired, I'd probably look for around £1500. I'd need to get it cheap though in order to make any money, and on those sites you're bidding against many different agendas, and so difficult to get a guitar cheap enough to guarantee a profit.
If all you want to do is play it, then you don't really need to repair her at all. The gamble is in the structural integrity. That can be fixed should it need to be. The problem is if you are paying somebody to do it, but that unfortunately is life. Players outbid me on all kinds of guitars regularly. They can be annoying in that respect, as then the guitar often misses out on the care it needed, or they end up paying a high price to have it done. Buying a restored guitar can be cheaper in the long run, as the restorer does the work as a job lot.
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Date Jun. 11 2024 8:47:07
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silddx
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From: London
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RE: ADVICE NEEDED Hairline parting t... (in reply to RobJe)
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Thank you Filip, FireFrets and Rob. Wonderful information. I am really see-sawing between making a bid.
Rob, what you have just said, and what you posted quite some time ago, about Maurice Johnson is what got me interested. I live and work near where the guitar was made, I have a romantic notion of buying it and giving it some love. However, I still adore the Ariza you sold me, this would just be to have some enjoyment cleaning her up and to provide a little contrast to my only flamenca. It's a risk buying this way, but who knows, it could be a delight.
I would love to see those photos, Rob!
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Date Jun. 11 2024 17:04:33
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