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Ricardo
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 RE: What technique is this? (in reply to xirdneH_imiJ)
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ORIGINAL: xirdneH_imiJ
It is actually a P up followed by ami, but in 99% of the cases you'll only hear the P m i. You'll see this a lot mostly with Jerezanos.
Actually Luciano uses it quite a bit too, his videos are very good quality so you might want to slow one of those down to see what happens. You'll often hear a golpe as well as the P moves upwards - that comes from Paco de Lucía.
Yep. Although I would say more often, and the way I learned from Nuñez, it is P up, a down, i down mute … not m because m is a bit too long and the idea is super fast grace note type thing. In simplest concept it is up with thumb like the rumba strum where the back of the nail is hitting the soundboard below the treble strings on the “ah” or pick up note, and the fingers down (or a single finger down) on the accented beat, followed by a mute. The fingers down are simply broken apart timing wise as needed so the last finger is on the beat. This is a more aggressive substitute for what I call the “snake bite” cierre, which is like when you are doing a closing phrase on the tonic chord with golpe on 7-8 and up strokes with index in between those, then a quick flick or rasgueado “stab”, m down, i down, i UP on the 10 (mute happens with left hand on these). Sometimes it depends on chord voicing how this is used (snake bite ends with only treble string, whereas the thing we describe gets more middle notes involved).
I would not say this has to do with PDL innovations, I am sure I have seen Cepero use it, and people outside of Jerez. I will keep an historical eye out for it. This technique deserves a special name IMO to differentiate it from normal abanicos. I am open to ideas?
Edit: there is some video I recall out there where PDL is playing a slower abandolao gallop with abanicos and it is a slow version P up a down i down, and he is hitting the back of the nail noticeably each pulgar up stroke. When I find that I will post it here. That is basically the same idea in a different context, and I don’t think is his innovation.
So here, watch from 32:00 onward, and notice the clicking golpes every time his thumb comes upward on the rasgueados. So it is basically that but you can add your m finger if you want and imagine the hand opens up and you mute with an open hand if you want.
https://youtu.be/kEe6QJqjkvc?si=6LUlUyQtaWNvmaZH
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Date Apr. 26 2024 11:58:31
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Ricardo
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From: Washington DC
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RE: What technique is this? (in reply to orsonw)
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ORIGINAL: orsonw
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It's Morate abanico triplet without P downstroke (p up, am down or ami down). You hear 2 beats. The third beat is not played.
Hi Devilhand, you're missing out on a rasgeo that you might find useful.
Have another listen, they're close together but it is three notes/strikes in this technique, the 2nd strike more like a grace note. Read Richard's, Ricardo's and my explanations if that helps you understand what's going on.
Just ignore it man, he has no clue what he is seeing or hearing. Anyone can slow it down it is the typical thing I described, normal abanico but the hand opens up. P up, a down, i down, three notes, and m finger is up and out of the way (not involved), and THIS is the standard I am most familiar with. The version of the OP is more rare where m gets involved, making a faster triplet.
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