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mark indigo

 

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RE: Nail shape for different guitar ... (in reply to Ricardo

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secure it in plastic air tight zip bag or other type sealed container


If the top is screwed onto the bottle then no air can get in, so surely no need for this?

On the other hand, if the top is not screwed on securely and air can get in that would justify the need for an outer air-tight container... but the glue would leak out of the bottle and make a complete mess....

or am I missing something here?

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at ROOM TEMPERATURE

haven't looked it up, but I'm pretty sure you have recommended storing glue in the fridge before - or is that just for spare bottles not yet in use?

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Manitas de Lata

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RE: Nail shape for different guitar ... (in reply to mark indigo

glue , resins whatever , they get thicker with higher temperatures , thats why theres no need to use an acelerator because its almost "done" to dry (it dries very fast) so you have to aplly quickly and the chance to get bubbles is very high.

if the temperature is low and high humidity , it will be thinner/liquid and harder to dry , but less bubbles in the finish and gives you more time to work/apply, but more time to dry

so the only solution is to store in a temperature that you think its ideal for you.
right now for me , its the fridge
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Ricardo

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RE: Nail shape for different guitar ... (in reply to mark indigo

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ORIGINAL: mark indigo

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secure it in plastic air tight zip bag or other type sealed container


If the top is screwed onto the bottle then no air can get in, so surely no need for this?

On the other hand, if the top is not screwed on securely and air can get in that would justify the need for an outer air-tight container... but the glue would leak out of the bottle and make a complete mess....

or am I missing something here?

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at ROOM TEMPERATURE

haven't looked it up, but I'm pretty sure you have recommended storing glue in the fridge before - or is that just for spare bottles not yet in use?


I always enjoy your posts, info and questions. I am, as I said last post, done with this topic and people are free to experiment or do whatever they want or believe in. All I can do and have done is share my experience, which has already been informed by such experiments in the past. I wish I had a euro for all the locked and discarded bottles I have suffered with over the years. Good luck to everybody and their nails/glues, etc.

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Filip

 

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RE: Nail shape for different guitar ... (in reply to mark indigo

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Yeah, just about to try one tonight that came in my mailbox earlier today.

Finally something that works! It's a kiss bottle but without a brush, but it does not really matter. It's sealed in my plastic bag now, we'll see how long it lasts.
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Manitas de Lata

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RE: Nail shape for different guitar ... (in reply to mark indigo

the old nail protector wasnt protecting due to temperature and air contact , so it ****ed my middle finger nail , the nail cracked in the middle so i had a fissure . I polish and put new nail protector , started to grow last week to this , but the fissure is still active in this origin , i can sand more with dificult but i think the better option is to Glue the fissure so the two sides will compact and acelerate the process.
its sucks , speccialy the rasgeo
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 11 2024 13:34:19
 
Ricardo

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RE: Nail shape for different guitar ... (in reply to Manitas de Lata

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the old nail protector wasnt protecting due to temperature and air contact


Maybe try something else like say, oh, I don’t know, CA nail GLUE??????

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 12 2024 11:35:18
 
AndresK

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RE: Nail shape for different guitar ... (in reply to Ricardo



It is tempting.. I just feel I might miss the soft sound I can now achieve with a small effort if I want to.

I have used in the past:
- Acrylic, but it had too hard sound, though almost indestructible, really, I have used a big rock hitting the nail again another rock and nothing happened to the nail.

- Silk with glue, more natural feel and good lifespan but a bit troublesome to apply

I have also friends using ping pong balls successfully

If glue, especially with a brush is as easy as it sounds to use, and sounds as close to the natural nail as the silk and glue, it is quite tempting.
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devilhand

 

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RE: Nail shape for different guitar ... (in reply to AndresK

I have relatively strong nails. My nails have that nice arc too. Some people are born and destined to be a tocaor.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 12 2024 14:23:45
 
Manitas de Lata

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RE: Nail shape for different guitar ... (in reply to Ricardo

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CA nail GLUE


just saw now that they sell around here Nail Glue Fix , pretty cheap , thanks
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Manitas de Lata

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RE: Nail shape for different guitar ... (in reply to Manitas de Lata

great glue , fixed the problem , not even 3 euros



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 15 2024 9:53:19
 
Ricardo

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RE: Nail shape for different guitar ... (in reply to Manitas de Lata

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ORIGINAL: Manitas de Lata

great glue , fixed the problem , not even 3 euros




Great. Now store it in a zip lock bag!!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 15 2024 11:34:14
 
Manitas de Lata

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RE: Nail shape for different guitar ... (in reply to Ricardo

will do Maestro thanks , as the same for the varnish
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Manitas de Lata

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RE: Nail shape for different guitar ... (in reply to Ricardo

Ricardo nail is growing overall but the crack is still there... maybe the glue turns old on the nail and opened again?
What should i do after aplying the first time/layer , aply more in the next day/days?
or aplying everyweek (1 time per week?) till the nail grows more and the crack finaly closes?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 22 2024 10:14:46
 
Ricardo

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RE: Nail shape for different guitar ... (in reply to Manitas de Lata

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ORIGINAL: Manitas de Lata

Ricardo nail is growing overall but the crack is still there... maybe the glue turns old on the nail and opened again?
What should i do after aplying the first time/layer , aply more in the next day/days?
or aplying everyweek (1 time per week?) till the nail grows more and the crack finaly closes?


Yes, and yes. To be honest I would create a paper towel 2 ply fake nail for a week to really protect it. Depends how much you need to play.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 23 2024 0:18:46
 
Manitas de Lata

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RE: Nail shape for different guitar ... (in reply to Ricardo

i have to start pratice more again , this nail its getting my nerves and desmotivating because the rasgeo is harder and doesnt flow like it was , my concern its not that much to protect, but to fix the crack and close/fix the crack
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 23 2024 9:44:49
 
Ricardo

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RE: Nail shape for different guitar ... (in reply to Manitas de Lata

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my concern its not that much to protect, but to fix the crack and close/fix the crack


Wow. And you a really don’t understand that it is EXACTLY why you have the crack to begin with????

Like I said before, good luck with whatever, do as you will.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 23 2024 11:26:21
 
Manitas de Lata

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RE: Nail shape for different guitar ... (in reply to Ricardo

that crack was due to the old varnish that im not using anymore, now the goal is to fix the crack. Theres a thinline between the crack that i dont know how the nail will grow in that place , dont know if theres any hack to promote , im just using glue and varnish .
Maybe i have to give time to it
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Mark2

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RE: Nail shape for different guitar ... (in reply to mark indigo

A guitarist from Madrid I studied with used nothing on his nails. I asked him how he could play for dance and he said "Like this!" and did some loud rasquedos. Recently a fellow student of Tino's said he was limited in his practice because he had broken his thumb nail. Tino said you don't play with your nails, you play with your heart.

On a practical level, I think pros, as well as the rest of us, have to deal with nail issues regularly, and figure out how to make the sound required when their nails are not at their best.
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AndresK

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RE: Nail shape for different guitar ... (in reply to Mark2

Jerónimo disagreed with the silk and glue I used back in 2007 when I met him and told me to let the nails naturally so they could grow stronger. I did that for a whole year before my classical guitar diploma and never broke a nail back then.

But.. flamenco.. is quite brutal for the nails. And not only by breaking them but also wearing them out and messing with the shape one feels that works best.

By the way Jerónimo's nails are indestructible, so he is not a good role model for taking care of nails.
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RE: Nail shape for different guitar ... (in reply to Ricardo

I kinda jumped off this thread when it ventured into nail coating products but ..... I just want to reiterate my gratitude to Ricardo who gave me new info on nail shape.

This might be the most advancement in my playing in years due to simply following the advice here.

It's completely opened up a new level of picado for me which in turn has opened up all other techniques and simply down to changing my nails. It makes me fret about how I may have advanced before if id learned this earlier. But oh well. I'm enjoying my playing more than ever now.

I'd strongly recommend following the advice in Ricardo's posts here if you find yourself hitting a brick wall with your playing and your nails aren't already shaped like he recommends.

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Ricardo

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RE: Nail shape for different guitar ... (in reply to Stu

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I kinda jumped off this thread when it ventured into nail coating products but ..... I just want to reiterate my gratitude to Ricardo who gave me new info on nail shape.

This might be the most advancement in my playing in years due to simply following the advice here.

It's completely opened up a new level of picado for me which in turn has opened up all other techniques and simply down to changing my nails. It makes me fret about how I may have advanced before if id learned this earlier. But oh well. I'm enjoying my playing more than ever now.

I'd strongly recommend following the advice in Ricardo's posts here if you find yourself hitting a brick wall with your playing and your nails aren't already shaped like he recommends.

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I am getting this printed on a T-shirt.

Honestly this is a bit counter intuitive topic. I myself encountered this idea first when I was in high school, pretending to grow nails for guitar summer camp (I was a pick player but could play a bit of classical). Both my father and my camp teacher were trying to explain SOMETHING about this. Of course this filing thing seemed nonsensical. Later in College I had no choice but to grow my nails and file them again (music major and guitar class requirement), but I thought this foo foo nail shape thing was not something a flamenco player would do, and that was the path I was recently choosing to take instead. It was suggested to use Pumping Nylon the book with pictures drawn in that talked about ramps and such, and I thought that sounded vaguely like the weird thing my Dad was advocating. But, again I ignored it. Flamenco practice eventually lead me down the path of glue products. After graduating I remember struggling a bit with a joint issue from an old injury on my m finger right hand, and not always happy with my tone. When the glue was off the tone was better, less harsh. One day, just out on a whim, I purchased in Guitar Center the Pumping Nylon video. He explained the nail shape in a more 3D context and I understood better, which explained properly those 2d pictures in his book I saw several years ago. Finally, that picture of Tomatito on the insert of Paseo de Castaños informed me that the concept was fairly common in flamenco to get the crisp picado and arpegio sound, even with the glue. So I FINALLY tried it and the first thing I noticed was that arthritic pain in my m finger disappeared, the tone got crispy, and like you said “sliding on the ice” took getting used to. So it was something I had to finally be convinced of myself after nearly a decade of exposure to the idea. It is not easy for everybody to grasp.

So I am rather forgiving about revisiting the topic when it pops up here over and over.

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Filip

 

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RE: Nail shape for different guitar ... (in reply to Stu

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I just want to reiterate my gratitude to Ricardo who gave me new info on nail shape.

This might be the most advancement in my playing in years due to simply following the advice here.


I second this! The glue advice was indeed a major improvement for me as well.
Thank you Ricardo!!!
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RE: Nail shape for different guitar ... (in reply to Filip

Hey good news filip!

I forgot to mention I also notice a lot of improvements with rasgueado. Less catching on strings.

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RE: Nail shape for different guitar ... (in reply to Ricardo

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The shape should not change. I agree that longer might feel better for arpegio/tremolo. The shape should be a flat filed angle, meaning don’t round or contour your nail to the tip. You should have more white material on either one side or both sides compared to the middle (depending on the ramp or if straight across). I have a ramp going up away from thumb on index, and a ramp going up away from pinky on the ring, but middle is essentially straight across. Now I say flat or “straight” referring to a 2 dimensional plane, but the nail is 3 dimensional. The third dimensional arc is ideal such that on the middle finger, for example, you rest the flesh on the string until two points contact the string. As you traverse the 2D plane, the string travels the arc along route until the two points converge and release somewhere along the flat line 2d plane, near the middle of the arc. Some people don’t have a good arc in the 3D so they have trouble actually setting up the plant on flesh and two points on the nail. For these folks I recommend use CA glue, as it bends the nail after drying into that nice 3d Arc that you need for good tone. The length depends on how steep you tilt the arc into the file but the file, again should only be filing FLAT in 2D.

If you have a ramp, the idea is you only have one contact point on the low side of the ramp, that releases, again, somewhere along that arc. Why do I use opposite ramps on index and ring? Because when I bend my fingers the two fingers curl inward toward the palm at opposite angles, were as middle finger moves straight down. I have noted some classical players, unlike flamencos play with a straight wrist, such that relative to the strings, the fingers always attack at an angle, never straight on, so they will necessarily ramp fingers all the same direction.

Here you can read opinion from a convert on foro, that went from no nails to what I suggested at some point.

http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=256919&appid=&p=&mpage=1&key=&tmode=&smode=&s=#257457

This is super helpful Ricardo, I found through trial and error I needed the same ramp on index and 'a' finger, which is also opposite of each other. it makes my thumb rest stroke arpeggios more uniform and less choppy. I ramp my middle finger the same as my index but I think I will try straight across as you do. Just sucks as once you make a change to the nails it takes a while to grow back until you can try something else.

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