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RE: Advise on buying a new Conde 2023 (in reply to Ricardo)
That 1980 was a 650 scale. Anyway is among those of the post-Faustino series with large waist plantilla and German rosettes which I refer to. If Paco played that live for sure it wasn’t bad even though we know that from a certain moment in the eighties Paco would have preferred a stiffer a guitar for live performances and mostly he used the same one. The ‘74 Faustino Conde he was fond of probably was at 2.8 mm and 7 to 8 mm at the bridge.
RE: Advise on buying a new Conde 2023 (in reply to JasonM)
Hi Jason, sorry ive been trying my conde now for a few weeks....
Its comfy but I like harder tension, reacts very well but not sure about the sound a lot of close friends have told me thats a real one, the only thing I noticed but im not sure about is about the top... when I do golpes it doesn't sound that good... is this normal?
RE: Advise on buying a new Conde 2023 (in reply to Ricardo)
Well I feel a bit disappointed, has been refinished so not sure about how to feel about it, sound is ok, I was hoping something very loud... its a proud house right? well again not 100% sure about it
RE: Advise on buying a new Conde 2023 (in reply to Chanpanpap)
Pictures? Just to understand what we are talking about. Loudness is a relative concept. What matters the most is projection and the right balance middles-trebles so that the guitar is heard properly by the listeners even in a noisy environment. Usually those guitars have a thick top which means the golpe may sound less resounding. How do you know the top has been re polished ?
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RE: Advise on buying a new Conde 2023 (in reply to Chanpanpap)
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Well I feel a bit disappointed, has been refinished so not sure about how to feel about it, sound is ok, I was hoping something very loud... its a proud house right? well again not 100% sure about it
Well, you wanted Cedar…and to boot it was a refinish. My understanding is Cedar is thinner with heavier bracing…so a refinish means any stripping would have thinned it further. Golpes on Cedar tops have always been non-exciting to me (you don’t feel that springy punch as with a good pine top). Loudness is often a result of miss balance ie, too much bass. All that gets rolled off in live mic situations, hence the quiet, but focused and balanced mid range of Condes (in general, the Blanca’s more so) have been ideal for close mic live shows.
RE: Advise on buying a new Conde 2023 (in reply to Ricardo)
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Loudness is often a result of miss balance ie, too much bass. All that gets rolled off in live mic situations, hence the quiet, but focused and balanced mid range of Condes (in general, the Blanca’s more so) have been id
I mostly thing my mistake was I was too hesitant, dont get me wrong is a good guitar loud and light... maybe I was asking for too much of a guitar for an average conde, Ive heard this combination is really good on flamenco guitars, I still believe so, maybe it was just this but ill keep it a while and see how it goes.... but mostly it.
Not that angry the price was okay for a Conde... sound is good also not the best nor the worst just another conde I would say...;
RE: Advise on buying a new Conde 2023 (in reply to Ricardo)
Few things: No pictures or recording, no ground to assess correctly the issue. It’s up to you. For what I understand, you reckoned the top was refinished as it looks too neat. It’s either this or just a guitar who was never played. It’s difficult to say anything about it without knowing the real top thickness through a Hacklinger gouge. I for one thought that a certain guitar sounded thin as she probably had a thin top in certain areas while in fact the Hacklinger showed the opposite. In this field the brain needs solid data to ground the assessments. It’s not rare that certain Sanchis-Conde guitars are overbuilt and in some occasions a refinished top may even improve the things.
The error here is just to have bought a guitar without trying it first. I know at time it’s difficult but then the risk of having something different from your expectations is quite high.
Nobody knows for sure, but he often used Hermanos Sanchis Lopez which looks like the same guitar with a different head cut.
Some of them are really nice sounding. They should just chill out with the price. The add on for just the name nowadays is kinda ridiculous for Atocha imo. I particurarly liked those pau ferros. But i bet they pay like 1500 bucks or so for them
I don't like the Negras from Sanchis. They sound and feel more bass heavy, more classical. Their blancas rock though
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RE: Advise on buying a new Conde 2023 (in reply to Manitas de Lata)
In general I found it much harder to find a suitable light weight Negra, with the right pulsacion, right mix of just a bit warmer and melodic sound and flamenco attack, while being bright and open sounding with not too much sustain, too much bass etc. at the same time, than finding a good blanca. Usually they drift off too much in to a classical voluminous sound and overall feel. I'm not a pro or have much knowledge about luthiery, but it seems like its harder to build a perfect Negra for flamenco. But that could also be just taste and being too picky. A lot of people are happy with Negras which i don't find to be flamencoish enough. I found couple Conde I played had that. But at one point my friend had a dozen Sanchis at home, and none of the Negras had it what i wantef, except maybe one Centenario Model almost. They were all rosewood.
RE: Advise on buying a new Conde 2023 (in reply to Ricardo)
Javier Castano is the man behind the arise of Conde Atocha in recent years. Recently he stopped the collaboration and established himself as an indipendent guitar maker. Best Conde style guitars in the market nowadays. Very good value for money. Jeronimo Perez is also a name to consider for that kind of sound.
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RE: Advise on buying a new Conde 2023 (in reply to Echi)
I want to say something about Conde Atocha.
Actually, Yerai Cortes's Conde is Conde Atocha. I sent a picture of Yerai's Conde to my luthier friend because I noticed that the color of the top wood is deeper. He told me that this guitar is from Atocha. And he sent me two videos to compare the sound between Atocha and Faustino Conde. He thinks these two videos show the different sound styles.
I watched a video of guitar player Fran Tari who has a Conde Atocha. His guitar's sound is similar to Yerai's. But I don't know if the Condes were made by Javier Castano.
RE: Advise on buying a new Conde 2023 (in reply to Ricardo)
Actual Conde Atocha are different beasts from the old ones. As a matter of fact players like Chicuelo or Rafa Cortes or Habichuela Jr. are happy with them, so cannot be bad. My advice is just to try the actual guitar yourself before buying. Just yesterday I had in my hands a Sanchis of few years ago and found it an excellent guitar. Other guitars of the same brand I had tried didn’t match my expectations: my guess is that the same may happen with some recent Condes.
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