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gerundino63

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Sustain or playability 

I always have a dillema.
What is your thought on this for solo playing, control vs sound:

A blanca with long sustain “cathedralic” sound. And lesser control.

Or a blanca with shorter sustain, “lesser” sound, and better control.

Ofcourse, sound is subjective, maybe control for the pro’s too, but you get what i mean. (I hope😃)

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mrstwinkle

 

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RE: Sustain or playability (in reply to gerundino63

Is cathedralic ('concert grade'?) predominantly a feature of the body depth of the guitar?

Depends what you're playing I suspect. Mineras / tarantas usually work better with the sustain IMO.

Realistically, I suspect most guitars if playing in public are going to be massively affected by hall echo, so more control is preferable if live. In a recording studio, bring several guitars...
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 31 2022 10:54:54
 
Ricardo

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RE: Sustain or playability (in reply to gerundino63

This is why every flamenco guitarist has two guitars minimum

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 31 2022 12:30:53
 
gerundino63

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RE: Sustain or playability (in reply to mrstwinkle

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ORIGINAL: mrstwinkle

Is cathedralic ('concert grade'?) predominantly a feature of the body depth of the guitar?



A lot of things together, wood, top, weight, plantilla. But in general, a “bigger little heavyer guitar”

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 31 2022 13:06:37
 
gerundino63

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RE: Sustain or playability (in reply to Ricardo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricardo

This is why every flamenco guitarist has two guitars minimum


But witch would jou prefer for a gig?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 31 2022 13:08:35
 
Morante

 

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RE: Sustain or playability (in reply to gerundino63

You have a Gerundino. Play it near the bridge and you have a great flamenco. Play it near the soundhole and you have a great classical. What more could you ask for?
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Ricardo

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RE: Sustain or playability (in reply to gerundino63

quote:

ORIGINAL: gerundino63

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricardo

This is why every flamenco guitarist has two guitars minimum


But witch would jou prefer for a gig?


Which gig? Blanca for accompaniment, negra for solo. But it doesn’t really matter.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 31 2022 18:05:40
 
mrstwinkle

 

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RE: Sustain or playability (in reply to gerundino63

Taking my guitarist hat off - as a listener - non-concert blanca.

Amplification adds boom.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 1 2022 15:41:19
 
Richard Jernigan

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RE: Sustain or playability (in reply to Ricardo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricardo

This is why every flamenco guitarist has two guitars minimum


About three years ago I had three guitars at my brother's house showing them to one of his grown grandsons.

My sister-in-law asked me how many guitars I had. When I told her she asked, "Why do you need six guitars?"

I answered, "Well...you don't really need six guitars."

Now I have seven.

I suspect there may be people on the Foro who have more.

RNJ
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 2 2022 7:29:31
 
Ricardo

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RE: Sustain or playability (in reply to gerundino63

It is a no brainer.



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 2 2022 12:14:08
 
devilhand

 

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RE: Sustain or playability (in reply to gerundino63

quote:

Or a blanca with shorter sustain, “lesser” sound, and better control

Is it the typical sound of flamenco guitar?



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Ricardo

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RE: Sustain or playability (in reply to devilhand

Low action and compressed audio, but otherwise, yes.

The cante, not really. (Titty tramb tramb tramb??? )

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 7 2022 15:18:24
 
orsonw

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RE: Sustain or playability (in reply to devilhand

quote:

Is it the typical sound of flamenco guitar?


Yes. Are you considering buying your first flamenco guitar? Antonio Carrion is playing a Manuel Reyes.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 7 2022 15:44:18
 
Morante

 

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RE: Sustain or playability (in reply to orsonw

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Antonio Carrion is playing a Manuel Reyes.


Hace tiempo toca un Robert Ruck.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 7 2022 16:01:55
 
JasonM

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RE: Sustain or playability (in reply to Morante

The one Gerundino Blanca I ever played had that big, bold, sustain sound. It was like the opposite of a Madrid Blanca sound.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 7 2022 17:19:52
 
orsonw

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RE: Sustain or playability (in reply to Morante

quote:

Hace tiempo toca un Robert Ruck.


Yes, seems it is his main guitar for a few years now.




He still gets the Reyes out sometimes e.g. here in April 2021
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 7 2022 17:30:09
 
AndresK

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RE: Sustain or playability (in reply to devilhand

This is also the typical microphone for a flamenco guitar at that day, the AKG c535
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 9 2022 7:36:41
 
devilhand

 

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RE: Sustain or playability (in reply to orsonw

quote:

Yes. Are you considering buying your first flamenco guitar? Antonio Carrion is playing a Manuel Reyes.

I have a nice guitar. Set up and sound are better than any student guitar on the market today. Besides, I'm still practicing techniques, which will take me another 1 or 2 years to master.

Btw, another guitar with dull strings. What guitar does Tomatito play here?



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 11 2022 17:17:25
 
orsonw

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RE: Sustain or playability (in reply to devilhand

quote:


Btw, another guitar with dull strings. What guitar does Tomatito play here?

Conde.
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constructordeguitarras

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RE: Sustain or playability (in reply to gerundino63

For me it's a trade off between playability and no buzzing. And a matter of raising or lowering the bridge saddle.

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kitarist

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RE: Sustain or playability (in reply to gerundino63

hehe



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gerundino63

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RE: Sustain or playability (in reply to kitarist

Well, I sold most guitars. Trying not to buy other ones anymore 😜

End up with two.

Long sustain blanca, with a firm 3mm set up, and a shorter sustain negra with al “just under 3 mm” Set up.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 12 2022 9:49:29
 
orsonw

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RE: Sustain or playability (in reply to devilhand

quote:

What guitar does Tomatito play here?


I think he is using the same guitar here? Before it got as beaten up as in the bulerias video.

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Ricardo

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RE: Sustain or playability (in reply to kitarist

If not a new guitar, at least some gear?



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 12 2022 11:36:49
 
Ricardo

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RE: Sustain or playability (in reply to devilhand

Carrion was not a stranger to Condes either:



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 12 2022 11:51:05
 
orsonw

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RE: Sustain or playability (in reply to Ricardo

quote:

Carrion was not a stranger to Condes either:


At one time both Condes and mullets were ubiquitous.

  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 12 2022 14:00:32
 
Morante

 

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RE: Sustain or playability (in reply to orsonw

Can anyone identify the guitarra de Quique?
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JasonM

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RE: Sustain or playability (in reply to Morante

Its one of those tacky half and halfs!
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davewphx

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RE: Sustain or playability (in reply to gerundino63

That Nativity set, and shooting star meme is cracking me up. Those r keepers. Orsonw and jasonm also cheering me up at my depressing job. Thanks guys! 😊

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Ricardo

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RE: Sustain or playability (in reply to Morante

quote:

Can anyone identify the guitarra de Quique?


The Barba of Seville.

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