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kitarist

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Early Christmas presents 

Very excited to finally be able to read these over the Christmas holidays!



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 30 2021 19:27:34
 
BarkellWH

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RE: Early Christmas presents (in reply to kitarist

Looks like you are in for a Christmas treat with your books on flamenco, Konstantin. At the risk of transgressing the forbidden "Off-Topc" category, I will state that I have placed my request for Christmas with my Brazilian Santa Claus (my wife), a book entitled "Conquering the Pacific," by Andres Resendez, a professor of history at the University of California, Davis.

It tells the story of the 1564-65 Spanish voyage across the Pacific and return by Andres de Urdaneta, but it focuses on a little known member sailing with the fleet who completed the "ida y vuelta" voyage from Mexico to Manila, an Afro-Portuguese navigator and pilot named Lope Martin. The voyage opened up the Pacific to Spanish trade with the Far East and laid the groundwork for the famed Manila Galleons over the next two and one-half centuries, carrying Mexican and Peruvian silver to Manila and returning with goods from the Orient. It also broke the Portuguese monopoly on trade with the Far East.

Bill

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 30 2021 21:18:26
 
ernandez R

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RE: Early Christmas presents (in reply to kitarist

Some one thoughtful loves you or you love yourself!

All used?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 1 2021 4:59:15
 
Ricardo

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RE: Early Christmas presents (in reply to kitarist

Cool, I have all those. I read Paco de lucía book in one sitting when it first came out. Very informative and covers a lot on camarón’s career as well. I like that it is very chronological. Two details… the album reviews are all good except for Duende. For whatever reason he down plays the importance of that disc imo. Also he misread an article by Manolo and paco together and informs the reader of a stolen guitar from a guitar course paco gave in the 90s…. That was actually Manolo’s guitar that was stolen from Cordoba guitar course.

The Carmen book jumped around historically too much and I never finished it. If you get through let us know of interesting stuff I will dust it off if you think it is worth it.

Seeking silverio I did enjoy, although I felt the fiction material was sophomoric. It’s good to have Chacon’s recordings going on in the background for flavor. I could envision a nice movie around the subject…I’m not a reader more of a movie buff.

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Mark2

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RE: Early Christmas presents (in reply to kitarist

I got the Paco book many years ago. There is some interesting information in it, but at the time I thought why write a book about a living person with out interviewing them?
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kitarist

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RE: Early Christmas presents (in reply to BarkellWH

Bill, that book sounds fascinating. I can't even imagine what it must have been like sailing across the Pacific in those days - its enormity is mind-boggling even now; it must have been horrifying then!

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RE: Early Christmas presents (in reply to kitarist

That Carmen Amaya book looks thick. I would work on my techniques instead. But to each his own.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 1 2021 19:29:57
 
kitarist

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RE: Early Christmas presents (in reply to ernandez R

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ORIGINAL: ernandez R
All used?


No no, they are new. I see now that the Silverio book cover looks odd - it's glossy and somehow reflects light in a weird way which is not how it looks when it is in my hands.

I bought them directly from Paco Sevilla (the author) who turned out to be a super nice guy and very responsive and accommodating. I actually purchased them a year ago but had to send them to my son's address in San Francisco because the post to Canada back then was more than double the total I paid for the books! My son just brought them to me now on his visit to Victoria, BC.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 1 2021 19:38:34
 
Mark2

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RE: Early Christmas presents (in reply to BarkellWH

Hi Bill,

You might also enjoy this book. i've read it a few times-it is fascinating.


https://www.amazon.com/Over-Edge-World-Terrifying-Circumnavigation/dp/0066211735/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=over+the+edge+of+the+world&qid=1638388201&sr=8-1

And a completely different but just as riveting sailing adventure:


https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6055.A_Voyage_for_Madmen



quote:

"Conquering the Pacific," by Andres Resendez

quote:

ORIGINAL: BarkellWH

Looks like you are in for a Christmas treat with your books on flamenco, Konstantin. At the risk of transgressing the forbidden "Off-Topc" category, I will state that I have placed my request for Christmas with my Brazilian Santa Claus (my wife), a book entitled "Conquering the Pacific," by Andres Resendez, a professor of history at the University of California, Davis.

It tells the story of the 1564-65 Spanish voyage across the Pacific and return by Andres de Urdaneta, but it focuses on a little known member sailing with the fleet who completed the "ida y vuelta" voyage from Mexico to Manila, an Afro-Portuguese navigator and pilot named Lope Martin. The voyage opened up the Pacific to Spanish trade with the Far East and laid the groundwork for the famed Manila Galleons over the next two and one-half centuries, carrying Mexican and Peruvian silver to Manila and returning with goods from the Orient. It also broke the Portuguese monopoly on trade with the Far East.

Bill
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 1 2021 19:59:42
 
kitarist

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RE: Early Christmas presents (in reply to Ricardo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricardo

Cool, I have all those. I read Paco de lucía book in one sitting when it first came out. Very informative and covers a lot on camarón’s career as well. I like that it is very chronological. Two details… the album reviews are all good except for Duende. For whatever reason he down plays the importance of that disc imo. Also he misread an article by Manolo and paco together and informs the reader of a stolen guitar from a guitar course paco gave in the 90s…. That was actually Manolo’s guitar that was stolen from Cordoba guitar course.

The Carmen book jumped around historically too much and I never finished it. If you get through let us know of interesting stuff I will dust it off if you think it is worth it.

Seeking silverio I did enjoy, although I felt the fiction material was sophomoric. It’s good to have Chacon’s recordings going on in the background for flavor. I could envision a nice movie around the subject…I’m not a reader more of a movie buff.


Ricardo, thank you for the comments and tips! I will report back on the Carmen Amaya book.

Here's my current 'collection' of significant flamenco books; am I missing any must-haves (or even nice-to-haves)?



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 1 2021 20:00:36
 
ernandez R

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RE: Early Christmas presents (in reply to kitarist

K,

Nice, screen shot and forwarded to my partner, you know, like when we were kids and we put our Xmass wish list on the refridgerator.

HR

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I prefer my flamenco guitar spicy,
doesn't have to be fast,
should have some meat on the bones,
can be raw or well done,
as long as it doesn't sound like it's turning green on an elevator floor.

www.instagram.com/threeriversguitars
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 1 2021 21:02:31
 
kitarist

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RE: Early Christmas presents (in reply to ernandez R

quote:

ORIGINAL: ernandez R

K,

Nice, screen shot and forwarded to my partner, you know, like when we were kids and we put our Xmass wish list on the refridgerator.

HR



Good thinking! Fingers crossed!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 1 2021 21:50:01
 
Richard Jernigan

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RE: Early Christmas presents (in reply to kitarist

I looked for Paco Sevilla on the web. I enjoyed reading his biography of Carmen Amaya and "Seeking Silverio."

Sadly, I came across this announcement for a memorial service

https://tinyurl.com/mryux62e

RNJ
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 2 2021 4:38:10
 
Ricardo

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RE: Early Christmas presents (in reply to kitarist

quote:

am I missing any must-haves (or even nice-to-haves)?


Well those are all like real “reader” books. My favorites are these oversized coffee table books. Like I have this Manolo Sanlucar book “un Mundo de Guitarra”, then this nice book “HIstoria del Nuevo Flamenco” by Luis Clemente, and photography by Paco Manzano called “Caballeros Flamencos”, and the Guitarreros de Madrid by Leal Pinar which is an enormous encyclopedia of mostly flamenco guitars….also Guitarreros de Andalucia which is much smaller but still big. Then I have the Magna Antalogia which is a CD box set but the book with letras and photos is very nice oversized thing.

All those are in spanish. There is an English “Guide to Andalusian Flamenco” that came with CDs that I always refer to which is in English. The cover says the guide is “permanently updated” at www.andaluciaflamenco.org. More than anything it is a handy quick reference to get artists real names and dates when needed. And finally the Rito y Geografia DVD set came with these fantastic small hardcover books with tons of great biografical data that I often refer to. Like they take any random singer and talk about their parents and any important artistic family members, children etc. It is surprising to see the connections in the small world those artists inhabit.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 2 2021 13:07:59
 
Auda

 

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RE: Early Christmas presents (in reply to Mark2

quote:

And a completely different but just as riveting sailing adventure:


You might also find Webb Chiles of interest. His sailing exploits are pretty far out there too. I am still in mourning having sold my blue water boat last year though I have been asked to helm a racing boat for the coming season. So that helps...a bit.

Cheers
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 2 2021 16:50:35
 
kitarist

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RE: Early Christmas presents (in reply to Richard Jernigan

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richard Jernigan

I looked for Paco Sevilla on the web. I enjoyed reading his biography of Carmen Amaya and "Seeking Silverio."

Sadly, I came across this announcement for a memorial service

https://tinyurl.com/mryux62e

RNJ



Oh, no. I was about to write to him as he asked me to let him know when I finally get the books in my hands. Yesterday morning I looked for a link I had bookmarked on his website so I can provide the exact link to his books on the foro and found pacosevilla.com gone, domain expired this October; it worried me a bit but I dismissed it as likely an oversight getting fixed; sadly now we know the reason.

Back in Sep-Oct 2020 we exchanged quite a few emails. He told me he was working on a new book about his year in Spain as a teenager learning flamenco. He was pleased when I shared my enthusiasm for discovering all the back issues of his 'Jaleo' magazine - which are still available as it is hosted on a different website:

http://www.elitedynamics.com/jaleomagazine/

He was apologetic about the 'ancient' layout. I told him I actually find it more endearing and connecting that way; there is a certain "sterility" to modern digital magazines. And it is an invaluable historical document of the times and of the excitement of learning new things and deepening one's knowledge and that of a community of like-minded people.

R.I.P.

EDIT: Richard, if you are interested to read Paco's third book - "Paco de Lucía : a new tradition for the flamenco guitar" - it is available as a digital loan from the Internet Archive website. You can borrow it for 14 days (or for an hour at a time); you just need a free account.

https://archive.org/details/pacodelucanewtra0000sevi

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 2 2021 17:33:42
 
BarkellWH

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RE: Early Christmas presents (in reply to Mark2

quote:

Hi Bill,

You might also enjoy this book. i've read it a few times-it is fascinating.

https://www.amazon.com/Over-Edge-World-Terrifying-Circumnavigation/dp/0066211735/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=over+the+edge+of+the+world&qid=1638388201&sr=8-1


Many thanks for the tip, Mark. I have always been fascinated by those early voyages of discovery in the 15th and 16th centuries by the Portuguese and Spanish that opened up the world. I'm looking forward to the book about Andres de Urdaneta's and the mulatto Lope Martin's crossing the Pacific to Manila and return to Mexico. But I have equally high regard for the other mariners and explorers as well: Magellan's voyage, Columbus's discovery of the New World. (Yes, it was a discovery.), and others who discovered that one could round the southern cape of Africa and head into the Indian Ocean and beyond to the spice islands.

They were master mariners and great captains, and their voyages not only resulted in the discovery of new lands and peoples, they also resulted in more refined navigational techniques that led to ever more precise headings, bearings, and the ability to sail in uncharted waters. The British and the Dutch followed, but it was the Portuguese and Spanish who pioneered it.

Bill

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With the name of the late deceased,
And the epitaph drear, "A fool lies here,
Who tried to hustle the East."

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 2 2021 21:33:49
 
BarkellWH

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RE: Early Christmas presents (in reply to kitarist

quote:

Bill, that book sounds fascinating. I can't even imagine what it must have been like sailing across the Pacific in those days - its enormity is mind-boggling even now; it must have been horrifying then!


Konstantin, yes, the Portuguese and Spanish mariners and explorers in the Age of Discovery were master mariners, great captains, and had "cojones." They may have been sailing for "Gold, God, and Glory," but we are the beneficiaries of their discoveries, not the least of those benefits being the wonderful books we can read recounting their exploits.

Bill

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And the epitaph drear, "A fool lies here,
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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 2 2021 21:38:51
 
Paul Magnussen

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RE: Early Christmas presents (in reply to Richard Jernigan

quote:

I looked for Paco Sevilla on the web. I enjoyed reading his biography of Carmen Amaya and "Seeking Silverio."

Sadly, I came across this announcement for a memorial service

https://tinyurl.com/mryux62e


Sorry to read that: he was my wife Pam’s first teacher, and if it hadn’t been for him, it’s possible I might not have met her. He was a meticulous researcher (apart from the one lapse Ricardo mentioned), and an excellent writer. I hope his books don’t now become unobtainable

Does anyone have any more information, for instance cause of death? By Pam's reckoning he would have been about 76.
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Brendan

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RE: Early Christmas presents (in reply to kitarist

This is a good game. Here are some of my favourites. If you don’t have the 1001 stories of Pericón de Cádiz, get it. The others are all academic tomes. In Search of the Blues is there because, though it isn’t about flamenco, it is a good think about approaching and appreciating the art of disadvantaged people from an external position of privilege.



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 4 2021 14:50:23
 
RobF

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RE: Early Christmas presents (in reply to kitarist

Not a book, but something to be treasured, nonetheless. Thanks Morante!






And, in the spirit of the thread:




I have a copy of Seeking Silverio and it’s on my reading list for this winter. I’d also like to snag a copy of “The Flamencos of Cádiz Bay” but I haven’t had any success as of yet.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 4 2021 19:39:08
 
Richard Jernigan

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RE: Early Christmas presents (in reply to Brendan

Pericón has my vote. I think I read it in Spanish....?

Either way it would be one of the better collections of stories "based on fact," as one of my friends used to say when questioned about one of his many colorful anecdotes.

RNJ
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 5 2021 2:40:59
 
kitarist

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RE: Early Christmas presents (in reply to Brendan

quote:

If you don’t have the 1001 stories of Pericón de Cádiz, get it.


Woo, that one looks very promising :) I shall put it on my wishlist! Thanks for the suggestion.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 5 2021 18:08:48
 
kitarist

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RE: Early Christmas presents (in reply to RobF

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ORIGINAL: RobF
I’d also like to snag a copy of “The Flamencos of Cádiz Bay” but I haven’t had any success as of yet.


Pssst! Hey! Hey, buddy, come 'ere!
[looks around]
Did you miss this post of mine from last April?

http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=289960&mpage=1&key=flamencos%2Cc%E3%A1diz%2Cbay&s=#335207



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 5 2021 18:13:19
 
Morante

 

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RE: Early Christmas presents (in reply to kitarist

To know what life was really like for the flamencos, read "El Chato de La Isla, entre la vida y el cante. Salvador Aleu Zuazo. Ispren, 1995.

Or "Manuel Soto, Sordera de Jerez: La elegancia del duende." José María Castaño Hervás. Signatura, 2005.
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RobF

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RE: Early Christmas presents (in reply to kitarist

quote:

ORIGINAL: kitarist

quote:

ORIGINAL: RobF
I’d also like to snag a copy of “The Flamencos of Cádiz Bay” but I haven’t had any success as of yet.


Pssst! Hey! Hey, buddy, come 'ere!
[looks around]
Did you miss this post of mine from last April?

http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=289960&mpage=1&key=flamencos%2Cc%E3%A1diz%2Cbay&s=#335207




Huh? You talkin’ to me?

Yeah, sure, I could use a watch…(Looks around furtively)…yeah, that one’s nice, I’ll take it….no, not that one…the one with the rocks, third one down from your elbow. Yeah…classy…

Oh, and about that other little matter….PM’s been sent…
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 6 2021 1:50:46
 
kitarist

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RE: Early Christmas presents (in reply to RobF

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Oh, and about that other little matter….PM’s been sent…


..and a reply has been sent as well...

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 7 2021 19:17:07
 
RobF

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RE: Early Christmas presents (in reply to kitarist

Got it….Thanks!
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Piwin

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RE: Early Christmas presents (in reply to kitarist

Lovely gifts, kitarist.

I haven't had much chance lately to spend time on here, but here's wishing all of you happy holidays!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 20 2021 16:46:16
 
kitarist

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RE: Early Christmas presents (in reply to Piwin

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ORIGINAL: Piwin

Lovely gifts, kitarist.

I haven't had much chance lately to spend time on here, but here's wishing all of you happy holidays!


Piwin!! Missed you here!! Very happy holidays to you too!

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