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Morante

 

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Festival Jerez 

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Ricardo

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RE: Festival Jerez (in reply to Morante

Do you go to anything up there?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 12 2021 13:45:17
 
Morante

 

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RE: Festival Jerez (in reply to Ricardo

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Do you go to anything up there?


Not any more. I don´t like theatres and selling tickets through internet means endless colas, usually of Japanese.

Last time was many years ago with Estela, Jonathan, Escribano etc., with no queues and good times in the Peñas.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 12 2021 14:02:59
 
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RE: Festival Jerez (in reply to Morante

I have seen the Jerez announcement and might go, having enjoyed it greatly 2 years ago. But does anyone know if there are still restrictions keeping Americans out? (Just because we are 4% of world population and 25% of covid cases...). Are the summer festivals happening?

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RE: Festival Jerez (in reply to Morante

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Last time was many years ago with Estela, Jonathan, Escribano etc., with no queues and good times in the Peñas.


Very good times and very genuine. I will never forget the atmosphere in the penãs. Along with the fiesta de la bulería the next year.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 12 2021 14:38:36
 
tf10music

 

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RE: Festival Jerez (in reply to Morante

I went last year, and it was a good time, but there were definitely long lines at certain concerts (it was more or less as Morante described), and the venues were packed.

If they end up enforcing a very limited capacity (particularly for la guarida del angel), I'll considering going again, especially since I'm in Sevilla this year rather than Granada, so the journey would be more convenient. Unfortunately, I don't think I trust it -- might be best to save it for another year.
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RE: Festival Jerez (in reply to Morante

If you read the local online papers, they are closing bars early, enforcing masks everywhere, have a lot of police checks on mobility. Might be a bit better by May, but not for me. Shame really. Another year ruined by covid hysteria.
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RE: Festival Jerez (in reply to mrstwinkle

"Hysteria"?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 13 2021 13:08:58
 
Morante

 

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RE: Festival Jerez (in reply to mrstwinkle

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nother year ruined by covid hysteria.


Thousands of people have died from Covid. Mascarillas, distance and limpieza are the only defences we have until the vacuna arrives. Visit a hospital if you think that this is hysteria.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 13 2021 16:10:45
 
Piwin

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RE: Festival Jerez (in reply to Steelhead

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But does anyone know if there are still restrictions keeping Americans out?


You can check here: https://www.mscbs.gob.es/profesionales/saludPublica/ccayes/alertasActual/nCov/spth.htm

If I'm reading their site correctly, it seems like right now the requirements are that you fill the Health Control Form and that you get a negative PCR test 72 hours or less before arriving in Spain. Your temperature will also be checked upon arrival. Other than that, you should be able to get in. I'm not sure, but I don't think there's a quarantine period other than for the countries listed in red at the top of the page (and the US isn't in there).

Personally, I'll pass this year.

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Morante

 

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RE: Festival Jerez (in reply to tf10music

It is obvious that year after year, more and more people come to the local ferias etc, and many more extranjeros. Sevilla is now impossible, unless you have entrada to a private caseta. Jerez, where we go every year to eat with friends in a caseta, is going in the same direction.

Internet has opened the eyes of the world to what were local treasures, so thousands of chulos come and ruin them. I suppose that it the same in every country with tradition.

Cádiz used to be a wonderful place: now the cruise ships arrive and discorge 1000s of incultos. Impossible to walk the streets or eat in a bar.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 14 2021 16:29:05
 
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RE: Festival Jerez (in reply to Morante

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Jerez, where we go every year to eat with friends in a caseta, is going in the same direction

I had good luck last year going to see artists who were more likely to draw local audiences -- los carpio, enrique afanador, etc. But there were other shows where it was a mad house.

Personally, I really enjoyed spending time at the archive, which were open longer than normal during the festival period (and never crowded!). Found a cool book of compiled soleá letras there from the early 20th century, and another one for seguiriyas.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 14 2021 16:56:58
 
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RE: Festival Jerez (in reply to tf10music

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Personally, I really enjoyed spending time at the archive, which were open longer than normal during the festival period (and never crowded!). Found a cool book of compiled soleá letras there from the early 20th century, and another one for seguiriyas.

Which archive was that? Centro Andaluz de Flamenco?

Regarding the festival, I've been going every year since 2016. I also notice the trend of venues getting more crowded by the year, La Guarida in particular. I'm still considering if I'll go in May, it will depend on the restrictions.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 14 2021 17:37:58
 
tf10music

 

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RE: Festival Jerez (in reply to FredGuitarraOle

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Centro Andaluz de Flamenco?

Yup! It's a great resource.

I think I'll end up staying home this year (although I must admit that aforo limitado at La Guarida might actually enhance the concerts there...)
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 14 2021 18:28:04
 
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RE: Festival Jerez (in reply to Morante

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Internet has opened the eyes of the world to what were local treasures, so thousands of chulos come and ruin them. I suppose that it the same in every country with tradition.


Sometime last spring/summer, it was all the hype to talk about how the pandemic had revealed X or Y problem, and how it offered an opportunity to start doing things differently. Pollution, over-tourism, etc. Always some article in the news about something like that.

Now my guess is that, as soon as this is over, we go back to doing exactly what we were doing before. Even whatever bits of solidarity we managed to muster will evaporate in a matter of days. I hope I'm wrong.

"Aforo limitado" might be a good idea for tourism in certain regions. Though if we do that, it'll probably just mean that whoever has the most money gets to go, not whoever has the most interest/respect for the place.

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RE: Festival Jerez (in reply to Piwin

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"Aforo limitado" might be a good idea for tourism in certain regions. Though if we do that, it'll probably just mean that whoever has the most money gets to go, not whoever has the most interest/respect for the place.


To be fair, it's kind of like this even without aforo limitado, because travel is just expensive in general. What should really happen is that people should have to apply to be admitted to certain sites and explain their interest in making the journey, then be judged based on that explanation (people should also have to apply to travel by plane, in my opinion, but that is another matter).

All I know is that one of the few highlights of this past summer was bringing cans of beer up to a mostly deserted Alhambra with a friend or two and enjoying the scenery in peace. I'll probably never see it so empty ever again.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 14 2021 19:24:18
 
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RE: Festival Jerez (in reply to Morante

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ORIGINAL: Morante

It is obvious that year after year, more and more people come to the local ferias etc, and many more extranjeros. Sevilla is now impossible, unless you have entrada to a private caseta. Jerez, where we go every year to eat with friends in a caseta, is going in the same direction.

Internet has opened the eyes of the world to what were local treasures, so thousands of chulos come and ruin them. I suppose that it the same in every country with tradition.

Cádiz used to be a wonderful place: now the cruise ships arrive and discorge 1000s of incultos. Impossible to walk the streets or eat in a bar.


Sanlucar is still nice. At least when I am there. The only foreigners have guitars in hand. What about the feria de la manzanilla? Does that get messed up to?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 14 2021 21:15:27
 
Morante

 

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RE: Festival Jerez (in reply to Ricardo

Sanlúcar is a great place, with lots of good bars and restaurants, manzanilla and a Plaza de Toros. In the summer it is always packed, but mostly by Spaniards: a cruise ship with 2000 incultos on board couldn´t navigate the river, so it is more difficult to pollute than Cádiz.

I would go more often, but we do not have a car, which makes getting home a problem. Maybe we are just too comfortable here
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 14 2021 23:16:32
 
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RE: Festival Jerez (in reply to tf10music

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All I know is that one of the few highlights of this past summer was bringing cans of beer up to a mostly deserted Alhambra with a friend or two and enjoying the scenery in peace. I'll probably never see it so empty ever again.


Last time I did that we got kicked out by a security guard

On the tourism thing, yeah I honestly don't know. Dunno what the right balance is. The reactions I've heard from people who live downtown Madrid have been mixed. On the one hand they've enjoyed having a more local feel to the place. On the other a lot of people went out of business...

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Morante

 

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RE: Festival Jerez (in reply to Piwin

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Last time I did that we got kicked out by a security guard


Quite right!!! This kind of tourist who has no respect for the culture is not welcome in Andalusía.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 15 2021 15:32:24
 
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RE: Festival Jerez (in reply to Morante

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Quite right!!! This kind of tourist who has no respect for the culture is not welcome in Andalusía.

It’s funny, but that is almost exactly what my friend said to me when I pointed out some of that “tourist go home” graffiti that was going around Granada a couple of years ago. It was all done by the same hand and, in this instance, had been sprayed on the wall of the Arcos de las Pesas. My friend, who is a gitano native to Sacromonte, seemed to hold no belief that the graffiti artist was from there, saying the graffiti showed “no respect for Granada”. This was very important to him and it took a while for him to regain his normally sunny disposition after I pointed it out. I noticed afterwards that he tended to ignore such graffiti, preferring to pretend that it didn’t exist.

Just so I’m not misunderstood, in better times my friend seemed to spend an inordinate portion of his day giving directions to tourists, and did so without complaint and always in a helpful manner. But, showing disrespect for his home is a cardinal sin, he and his family have no time for this.

More on topic, this year might be a good time to go to the festival, as it’s quite possible the crowds will be significantly reduced due to the pandemic. I assume there will be a strong push for tourism next year as localities try to rebuild their economies, so this year might turn out to be a sweet spot.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 15 2021 15:44:24
 
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RE: Festival Jerez (in reply to Morante

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Quite right!!! This kind of tourist who has no respect for the culture is not welcome in Andalusía.


I mean, I don't know where tf10 went exactly, but if it was like me it just means that he went up to one of the outdoor areas of the Alhambra that stay open through the night. There's a nice view of the Albaicin from there and it's nice and quiet, away from the crowds of party-goers. So it's a nice place to sit and have a quiet chat. It's also publicly accessible during the day, but yeah, in normal times there would be a lot of people up there during the day. The security guard just told us that drinking wasn't allowed there and asked us to leave. Which I get. Even if we were a tranquil bunch not drinking much at all, actual botellons can get out of hand and leave a mess. That certainly wasn't going to happen with us, but he saw a group of youngsters and figured it was best to play it safe and ask us to leave. Which is fair.

It's been a while since I've been back. IIRC, in the Albaicin the larger issues were more about the local population leaving, and foreigners buying property there. It felt more like gentrification than anything else. The tourism aspect had more to do with certain restrictions that were being added. For instance, when they added more restrictions on car traffic in the area to favor pedestrian traffic, some banners went up saying "we are not a postcard". And downtown, I don't remember international tourism being that much of a problem, but maybe it was. The town did seem to attract an unusual amount of despedidas de soltero/a from all throughout Spain. It was common to run into 4 or 5 of those groups on any given Saturday. Usually dressed in the customary tacky attire and being rowdy, and usually not from Granada. Also: hippies. lol. For better or worse that area sure attracts the hippies ^^

But dunno. There certainly was a lot of tourism there. But at the same time, well, no cruise ships are coming in, and even international flights don't for the most part go there (most people would land in Malaga I guess), so I guess it's just enough off the beaten path to avoid getting too much of the troubles related to international tourism. Something like that.

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RE: Festival Jerez (in reply to Piwin

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I mean, I don't know where tf10 went exactly, but if it was like me it just means that he went up to one of the outdoor areas of the Alhambra that stay open through the night. There's a nice view of the Albaicin from there and it's nice and quiet, away from the crowds of party-goers. So it's a nice place to sit and have a quiet chat. It's also publicly accessible during the day, but yeah, in normal times there would be a lot of people up there during the day.


Correct. I'd never take an open container into los palacios. It was nice to just sit and hear my friend's stories about how accessible the Alhambra used to be in the '70s when he was a kid.

The Albaicín is certainly gentrified, and every year the Sacromonte gets more and more privatized (interestingly, it seems like the hippies are partly responsible for this). There are certain paths that have been open for decades that only recently (like, in the last year) got fenced off as private property.

At this point, I think the key to Granada is to know the right people and the right spots, and that takes time/effort. While that might be frustrating at first, it also means that the good stuff doesn't get overrun by tourism so often.

There's a lot of international tourism over the summer in Granada, but the peak tourism months there are in early autumn, and it's always domestic tourists who are visiting over a puente or something along those lines.
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RE: Festival Jerez (in reply to Morante

Would it help to know that this being over run by tourist is not your problem alone, nor is having your culture asemulated for cash.

We live in a small Alaskan village, we have a two hundred yard Main Street, 900 year round residents along a twenty mile road. The cruse ships bring over a thousand tourist a day.

It's funny, they never leave Main Street, we live about 200 yards away and its always quite and calm here.

It's a love hate relationship.

We will most likely be bankrupt by the fall, there are some federal monies coming our way but no real light for us in the future. My partner started here over twenty years ago, sleepy little drinking town with a mountain climbing problem. Fishing and hiking, views and solitude galore, glaciers rivers and lakes, the kind of space our European visitors say don't exist untouched anywhere else.

Neither of us want the ships to come back but not sure how to exist without all their cash? The Boss says I better sell a lot of guitars. Sadly it looks like I will be traveling out west to ply my aviation maintenance skills in order to make enough money for us to survive through the next winter.

I can't say we've lost a culture that wasn't already gone by the 1930s, the last working dog team I knew of was finished before I arrived and to be honest the last working snow machine too, they are ridden for fun now and a few do keep dogs.

The Alaskan native population was decimated by disease: siphliss, whisky, and religion. The so called Spanish flue killed off most that had survived the calamity of progress and the core of any culture they had retained. Ironically those areas first settled by the Russian orthadox had kept more of their native heritage while those settled by their American counterparts, the Protestants, lost everything. And just to be fair and balanced the Catholics sent their pedifile rapist priests to the outlaying villages of western Alaska.

This problem is world wide and it could be said a product of a freedom few in the world have had until now? It could be a function of gross overpopulation? More likly it's a combanation of varied ideas and dreams and marketing and exploited wealth and isms I can't recall at the moment.

My gut feeling is there is a hunger, that many are searching for something inside their selves and not finding it are striking outside their world. Funny cause when I run into the type I tell them to get a little mirror and give it a glance, for within lies all they search for. I call it my ruby red slippers rule of life. If you recall Glenda the Good witch askes Dorothy what she had learned of Oz, don't recall exactly but something about don't go looking any farther then your own back yard: there's no pace like home, there's no place like home, there's no place like home...

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RE: Festival Jerez (in reply to Morante

Most places have taken a disastrous approach to the pandemic. My position:


https://gbdeclaration.org/
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RE: Festival Jerez (in reply to mrstwinkle

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Most places have taken a disastrous approach to the pandemic.


Your link to the "Great Barrington Declaration" is instructive. We have a real-world comparative example to judge the efficacy of the protocols (or lack thereof) outlined in the "Great Barrington Declaration vs. the use of masks, social distancing, and locking down of bars, festivals, and other crowded venues.

The Nordic countries provide a telling example. Denmark, Finland, and Norway adhered to the recognized protocols, while Sweden did not and pretty much followed the lack of protocols advocated in the "Declaration." The highest number of confirmed COVID-19 deaths in the Nordic countries as of March 11, 2021, had occurred in Sweden at 13,111. Denmark followed with 2,384 deaths, Finland with 783, and Norway with 639.

As the statistics indicate, Sweden had approximately six times more deaths than Denmark, 17 times more deaths than Finland, and 20 times more deaths than Norway. These deaths were in no way commensurate with the comparative populations of each country. A couple of months ago, the Swedish Health Minister even admitted that they probably got it wrong by not following the basic protocols.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 16 2021 18:27:43
 
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RE: Festival Jerez (in reply to BarkellWH

No countries actually followed the declaration fuly.

You comparisons are cherry picked.

Florida vs California?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 16 2021 19:00:56
 
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RE: Festival Jerez (in reply to mrstwinkle

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You comparisons are cherry picked.


They are not "cherry picked." They are real-world examples of four Nordic countries with very similar populations in ethnicity, geographic location, and health. One, Sweden, did not follow Covid-19 protocols (and pretty much followed your "Great Barrington Declaration") and experienced disastrous death rates. The other three, Denmark, Finland, and Norway, followed prescribed Covd-19 protocols and fared much better.

The Nordic countries, with their similarities in geography, population, health, and social well-being, were a great laboratory to test the efficacy of the differing approach to Covid-19 practiced by Sweden vs. the other three, Denmark, Finland, and Norway. That Sweden ended up with such a disastrous death rate while the other three experienced very modest death rates was predicted by health experts.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 16 2021 19:36:02
 
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RE: Festival Jerez (in reply to BarkellWH

https://spectrum.ieee.org/biomedical/ethics/dont-be-too-quick-to-judge-swedens-covid19-policy
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 16 2021 19:38:39
 
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RE: Festival Jerez (in reply to mrstwinkle

quote:

ORIGINAL: mrstwinkle

https://spectrum.ieee.org/biomedical/ethics/dont-be-too-quick-to-judge-swedens-covid19-policy


Quote from the opinion article:

"On the other hand, the mortality rate in Finland and ­Norway was only about 10 percent that of Sweden, and Denmark’s rate was about 80 percent lower."

Which is exactly what Bill was saying. QED, I guess..

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