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devilhand

 

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Your learning progress 

I'd like to ask you guys about personal stories on your early years of learning to play flamenco guitar.

How long did it take you to learn the fundamentals of all neccessary flamenco guitar techniques? I mean only fundamentals that are just enough to make your guitar playing sound flamenco.

How many hours per week and under what circumstances (with or without youtube videos or teacher. Only a few learning materials etc.) did you practice to achieve this?

Any tips on I wish I knew as a beginner?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 20 2021 13:23:23
 
rombsix

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RE: Your learning progress (in reply to devilhand

I started at age 16 while in high school and I took private lessons with a teacher in Beirut. I supplemented that with the Oscar Herrero Paso a Paso DVD series. During the summer break, I would practice about seven hours a day. During school / college, I would practice one hour a day. I think I peaked, technique-wise, in the first five to ten years, and I then got busier and busier so I could barely maintain or was losing technique. I think I started to sound relatively flamenco by the five-year mark.

I think the most important tip is this: discipline, and to work on your weaknesses rather than get tempted to take the path of least resistance where you work on what you already do well, because if that happens, you'll have fun, but in ten years, you'll realize - "Oh crap - ten years have passed, and I've made minimal progress".

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 20 2021 16:29:47
 
JasonM

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RE: Your learning progress (in reply to rombsix

quote:

I think the most important tip is this: discipline, and to work on your weaknesses rather than get tempted to take the path of least resistance where you work on what you already do well, because if that happens, you'll have fun, but in ten years, you'll realize - "Oh crap - ten years have passed, and I've made minimal progress".


Mmhmm. Ain’t that the truth
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 20 2021 21:19:40
 
Fluknu

 

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RE: Your learning progress (in reply to devilhand

I started 4 years ago, with a background of electric guitar. I practice about 3 hours a day. More if I can, but with work and family that's seldom the case.

I second Ramzi and JasonM: every little bug, should be fixed. I find an exercice for every little unperfection. I've lost much time playing compasses and falsetas from begginning to end, thinking it was ok. When I work on the groove, that's what I do, in loop, until it's clean and groovy. For falsetas, there's always parts that bug, due to a lack of a certain technique, or the change from a technique to the other. I loop it, or create an exercise that I generalise for other chords. There's so many different techniques in a Falseta. Each is a world in itself. I've stopped learning new material 3 monts ago and only practice all the falsetas I know. And I press them like oranges and build exercises with their specificities. And I generalise them. It's sounds boring but it's not. It's a bit like in Karate kid when he has to wash the soil and windows with a special move of the hands and Arms..LOL.
It's my technique at the moment.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 22 2021 20:51:56
 
Ricardo

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RE: Your learning progress (in reply to devilhand

My flamenco journey.

1. Started learning flamenco on my classical guitar. Wasn’t going well.
2. Bought a flamenco guitar....the rest is history.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 22 2021 22:43:16
 
Stu

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From: London (the South of it), England

RE: Your learning progress (in reply to Ricardo

quote:

My flamenco journey.

1. Started learning flamenco on my classical guitar. Wasn’t going well.
2. Bought a flamenco guitar....the rest is history.


🔥 😄😄
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 24 2021 10:05:15
 
mark indigo

 

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RE: Your learning progress (in reply to devilhand

quote:

I'd like to ask you guys about personal stories on your early years of learning to play flamenco guitar.

In the beginning I was so full of it I could barely learn anything (some would no doubt say not much has changed, but only those that didn't know me back then)


quote:

How long did it take you to learn the fundamentals of all neccessary flamenco guitar techniques? I mean only fundamentals that are just enough to make your guitar playing sound flamenco.

How many hours per week and under what circumstances (with or without youtube videos or teacher. Only a few learning materials etc.) did you practice to achieve this?

I know it doesn't answer your question and it's not what you want to hear, but really I think it's a life's work of constant refinement.


quote:

Any tips on I wish I knew as a beginner?

Stay focused on the ultimate goal, but give up any hope of ever arriving at the destination, learn to just enjoy the journey.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 24 2021 16:17:11
 
devilhand

 

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RE: Your learning progress (in reply to rombsix

Thanks guys for the input. Reading something like I practiced 3-7 hours a day makes me want to practice more often. But 7 hours a day is impossible for me now. One hour a day sounds good to me although I tend to practice 2-3 hours once started. I try to be consistent with my practice which has been difficult so far. David Russel homepage has good tips for guitarist which goes like this:

"There is no short cut to becoming a good player. Being constant in your practice is perhaps the main secret"

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I then got busier and busier so I ... was losing technique.

How is that possible? Do you mean your arps, tremolo or picado got slower?


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1. Started learning flamenco on my classical guitar. Wasn’t going well.

Yes. Classical guitars have higher string height at the bridge. Except for that if you practice on a classical guitar what was slowing down your progress?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 24 2021 16:28:14
 
Ricardo

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RE: Your learning progress (in reply to devilhand

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Except for that if you practice on a classical guitar what was slowing down your progress?


The point is to “sound flamenco”, that is the goal the student should be aiming for. This elusive “sound” is the result of technical details including: the right hand techniques, the left hand techniques, the knowledge of the music forms (cante and accompaniment), the rhythms (baile and compas), and all those considered equal, the physical instrument itself...meaning its set up, materials, strings, and construction design. Simply put there is lots to learn and it starts with having a proper instrument.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 24 2021 17:36:30
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