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Piwin

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Good for you. Using that courtesy of leaving it open for a last reply just to sneak in one last insult I see. Whatever tickles your toes. Click.
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I’ve never blocked anyone. Seems a bit childish to be honest. The online equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and screaming “I can’t hear you!”


As one gets older, one becomes more conscious of how precious time is. And past a certain point, the thought “I don’t have time for this crap” may tend to obtrude itself into one’s consciousness.
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RE: What's up with this newfangled c... (in reply to Paul Magnussen

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As one gets older, one becomes more conscious of how precious time is. And past a certain point, the thought “I don’t have time for this crap” may tend to obtrude itself into one’s consciousness.


Exactly.

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Ricardo

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RE: What's up with this newfangled c... (in reply to aaron peacock

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ANY insertion of the music teacher between the student and the music is an egotistical crime against music and a sin!


This illustrates the problem maybe? What I did to encourage or educate sr Martins here you might consider an “egotistical sin” against musical creativity? Or it serves as good example of how to guide someone the right direction?

http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=206949&appid=&p=&mpage=1&key=sh1t&tmode=&smode=&s=#206949

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AndresK

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RE: What's up with this newfangled c... (in reply to Ricardo

Now, that is an amazing way to help out discreetly someone in need. Ricardo, you set a great and difficult example here.
Thank you for reminding us.

I also had a guy back from my classical student years who was also a student at the conservatoire where I was learning classical guitar. He was playing whatever was coming to his head saying it was flamenco. I am never hard with people so he sent me some tracks of his, a couple of years back, asking my opinion. The trucks were named as buleria, tango etc. They had nothing to do with compas or even regular rhythm in any way. Having very much trouble trying to explain to him what was not exactly suited to call a piece bulerias, I ended up telling him to change the name of the pieces so he could post them on YouTube unharmed. So he could rename his "buleria" piece something else without the term buleria in it to avoid
teasing and taunts from people who might knew what the word buleria means.

He was always about composing his own staff and said he did not want to learn even basic scales, but use his own ideas.

Fortunately he avoided using the word buleria on his video.

Anyway, you get the point.

As for the initial post. You can think and complicate things as much as you want but I would advise to keep it simple. If you feel you want to play something already written by someone else just do it. If you do not want to, do that. Do not waste your time trying to justify your decision intellectually and convince everyone else to do the same. It is just as I might pick up the 7 string flamenco guitar and then say that everyone plays six string are outdated. You get it from here.. Just relax and enjoy the music.

Peace.
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aaron peacock

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RE: What's up with this newfangled c... (in reply to Piwin

Ok, this has been cute and all, and it's been fun playing all innocent, but I'm Português and you can go look at a map and then kindly go service yourself before you try to tell me what flamenco is and isn't, you anglo-american gate-keeper wanna-be's saying things that will get you looked at like some francoist reactionary fossils in Spain.
"but my best friend is Spanish!" LOL...
Come to Spain and participate in living flamenco culture in the XXI century or try to tell them that they must respect YOUR rules.
Your first prophet Fava Boy taught himself from listening to the radio. You still did not listen, for your hearts were hard...
I don't see many Spaniards on here, nor much Japanese etc, hmmm
It's a circle-jerk and you know it. gloves off. take your condescending attitudes and put them somewhere the sun shineth not.

The truth is that the flamenco world speaks Spanish and you should dive into that world and stop making your separate little gated community with gatekeepers who have their head up their rears.
When I say "the flamenco world" I refer to the living breathing source of all that which you worship 10 years later. If you allowed for originality and bold originality, you could also participate in this living music.
There is plenty of improv in this flamenco world, Ricardo, so I'm sorry that you self-limit but it's not a truthful description of what happens in Spain.

I'm no expert, but I'm closer to the source than you are, and I can see with my own eyes that this cult of xenu is just another exercise in groupthink. goodBYE...

pity that Piwin couldn't read this and be properly insulted for once.

there, i've insulted all those who insist upon these gatekeeper foolish rules... like this silly thread where Demonhand asks if there truly is a prescribed order to palos in a juerga and all folks were leaping upon the ruse...If I show this thread to flamencos in Spain they will laugh at such silly formalisms.
It reminds me of a family I know that always cuts the roast in half before placing it in the oven, as grandmother always did.
When grandmother was asked why she did this, she said that her pan was always too small for the whole roast, hence cutting it in half.
They had forgotten the reason something was done and had gone off worshipping a formalism.
The tao is not the shape of yesterdays tao. The Spirit Moves.
Follow spirit or you are lost.

ok, sorry for lying about not posting again, but some smugness is insufferable

go on then, snark and tsk tsk away, I know what a damned Bulerias is and I like to go to Jerez and hear many at once in August, maybe see you there. Have fun arguing about how many angels fit on a pinhead.
The valuable threads on THIS forum appear to be the luthier threads, in which seriously amazing stuff challenges every level of thoughtful preparation and tricky woodworking technique I've ever seen before, pure porn! but I can browse that as a guest after I get kicked out here for finally insulting the moneychangers and publicans in the musical temple!

happy new year, and best of luck in the future.

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Ricardo

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RE: What's up with this newfangled c... (in reply to aaron peacock

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I know what a damned Bulerias is and I like to go to Jerez and hear many at once in August, maybe see you there.


Well, you demonstrate the opposite. But have fun as a tourist, be sure to get lots of cellphone videos of the “many bulerias at once”, it sounds amazing.

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RobF

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RE: What's up with this newfangled c... (in reply to aaron peacock

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I'm Português and you can go look at a map and then kindly go service yourself before you try to tell me what flamenco is and isn't, you anglo-american gate-keeper wanna-be's

I dunno, your Wikipedia entry about yourself says you were born in San Francisco and raised in the California psychedelic scene, but all the links provided for reference are either dead or blind. Probably wanna update that, or maybe not.

Piwin is a linguist who lives in Madrid and, being half-French myself, I have no doubt about his Frenchiness, if that’s a word, because he behaves in a peculiar way only recognizable by other Frenchmen, and no, I’m not revealing what that is, it’s a national secret, passed on through the generations. He’s no Yank, is my point.

Ricardo is unapologetically American but he could easily hang with the pros in Spain, IMO, were he to move there. Morante, who is an Irish bloke living in Jerez, could attest to that. Anyone who’s been on here long enough knows that Morante speaks Spanish fluently, it’s pretty obvious he forgot how to speak the King’s English many years ago. When he speaks English, moths fly out of his mouth. When it’s Spanish, it’s generally bits of Tapas and Bull testicles. I’ve just been told elsewhere that I’m only capable of focusing on building Flamenco guitars to the point that I don’t even realize other instruments exist. So, I’m obviously some kind of expert, too, even though I’m not.

Nobody knows where devilhand comes from, but his good humour and unflagging devotion to driving Ricardo crazy gives him a place in all of our hearts. He actually asks really good questions.

I wish you no ill. I don’t think anyone on here does. The past year has been pretty hard for all and there’s no end in sight. I sincerely hope you take care and get through it OK. I hope that for all of us. Peace.
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Morante

 

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RE: What's up with this newfangled c... (in reply to RobF

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Morante, who is an Irish bloke living in Jerez


Morante lives in Cádiz, more than 20 years, was tocaor to the encyclopedic cantaor José Millán, has produced two records of gaditano cantaores. This does not make him an expert.

But Ricardo is a friend and asistant of Gerardo Nuñez (Gerardo is quite a good and well known tocaor, if you don´t know) and he could live as a professional tocaor in Andalucía if he wanted.

It is true that most of the foro do not live in Spain, but there is a lot of knowledge here and there is no need to insult.

Suerte

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Mark2

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RE: What's up with this newfangled c... (in reply to aaron peacock

San Francisco? Was your father George Peacock who owned Peacock Music?
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JasonM

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RE: What's up with this newfangled c... (in reply to RobF

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I dunno, your Wikipedia entry about yourself says you were born in San Francisco and raised in the California psychedelic scene, but all the links provided for reference are either dead or blind. Probably wanna update that, or maybe not.

Piwin is a linguist who lives in Madrid and, being half-French myself, I have no doubt about his Frenchiness, if that’s a word, because he behaves in a peculiar way only recognizable by other Frenchmen, and no, I’m not revealing what that is, it’s a national secret, passed on through the generations. He’s no Yank, is my point.

Ricardo is unapologetically American but he could easily hang with the pros in Spain, IMO, were he to move there. Morante, who is an Irish bloke living in Jerez, could attest to that. Anyone who’s been on here long enough knows that Morante speaks Spanish fluently, it’s pretty obvious he forgot how to speak the King’s English many years ago. When he speaks English, moths fly out of his mouth. When it’s Spanish, it’s generally bits of Tapas and Bull testicles. I’ve just been told elsewhere that I’m only capable of focusing on building Flamenco guitars to the point that I don’t even realize other instruments exist. So, I’m obviously some kind of expert, too, even though I’m not.

Nobody knows where devilhand comes from, but his good humour and unflagging devotion to driving Ricardo crazy gives him a place in all of our hearts. He actually asks really good questions.

I wish you no ill. I don’t think anyone on here does. The past year had been pretty hard for all and there’s no end in sight. I sincerely hope you take care and get through it OK. I hope that for all of us. Peace.


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Piwin

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RE: What's up with this newfangled c... (in reply to RobF

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because he behaves in a peculiar way only recognizable by other Frenchmen


Damn it, am I that obvious?

And yeah, using that block thing isn't an expression of ill will or anything. It probably is related to this whole pandemic business since I had never used it before this year. Just doing what I feel I need to do to preserve my own sanity. To better days.
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RobF

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RE: What's up with this newfangled c... (in reply to Morante

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It is true that most of the foro do not live in Spain, but there is a lot of knowledge here and there is no need to insult.

If that is directed towards my comments then I’m saddened as it means I’ve achieved the opposite of what I had hoped. I had no intent to insult or offend anyone in a serious manner, and if I unwittingly did so, please accept my sincere apologies. Clearly, I have the sensitivity of a brick.
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AndresK

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RE: What's up with this newfangled c... (in reply to Piwin

Please do not bother when a man falls to the who has the bigger **** conversation (in this situation who is closer to Spain). When ego is hurt will use anything to argue. Give the man a chance to come to rest and he will also have the chance to see what we all have in common and not to divide.

Peace... and love to all.
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Morante

 

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RE: What's up with this newfangled c... (in reply to RobF

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If that is directed towards my comments


Certainly not!!! Al pavo real. Just that I do not live nor want to live in Jerez
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Escribano

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RE: What's up with this newfangled c... (in reply to Morante

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Just that I do not live nor want to live in Jerez


I know where you live :-) It's a shame there is so much foreign noise and opinion about it all.

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RobF

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RE: What's up with this newfangled c... (in reply to Morante

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Certainly not!!! Al pavo real. Just that I do not live nor want to live in Jerez

Haha. Good! I really only know my way around the Granada area, but I want to expand on that over the next few visits. Next trip, I’m going to spend some time in Almería talking about guitars and workshops with some of the people there. But, I really want to go to Jerez and Cadiz. Morocco, too.

In Granada Centro, down a narrow side street not far from the Catedral, there’s a little café called El Tacón Flamenco, which is owned by a couple from Cádiz. It was the first place I stepped into the last time I was there, and their wide grins and hugs made me feel like I had just come home. Their Tapas are delicious, the beer is cold, and the coffee is perfect. I miss the place a lot.
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Morante

 

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I really want to go to Jerez and Cadiz. Morocco, too.


If you ever make it, give me a call. Also I have a friend who spends a lot of time in Morocco ( he has a house there) who could advise you.

Suerte

Morante
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RE: What's up with this newfangled c... (in reply to Morante

I will. Thanks! Looking forward to it.

Best,
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When he speaks English, moths fly out of his mouth. When it’s Spanish, it’s generally bits of Tapas and Bull testicles.


I've read, like, fifteen comments since this one, and I'm still stuck with the image of bull testicles flying out of somebody's mouth.
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I'm still stuck with the image of bull testicles flying out of somebody's mouth.


You and me both!
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Morante

 

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RE: What's up with this newfangled c... (in reply to Piwin

Criadillas de toro are considered a delicacy, especially in Madrid during the Feria de Abril. In fact all the meat of a toro de lidia is excellent and healthy, since it has no growth hormones or other elements found in ordinary meat and the toros are made to run every day. The solomillo is delicious a la plancha, the morillo makes a great stew.

After a corrida in El Puerto, we normally buy 6 or 7 kilos: all passes health checks and is clearly labelled, even with the name of the matador.
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But Ricardo is a friend and asistant of Gerardo Nuñez (Gerardo is quite a good and well known tocaor, if you don´t know)

As far as I know Mr. Marlow is not only a friend but also was a student of G. Nunez. He's all about G. Nunez. His profile picture on the foro and the similarity between his CD cover and the picture used in G. Nunez's Encuentro DVD say it all.



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RE: What's up with this newfangled c... (in reply to Morante

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ORIGINAL: Morante
After a corrida in El Puerto, we normally buy 6 or 7 kilos: all passes health checks and is clearly labelled, even with the name of the matador.


At the old Plaza Mexico off Insurgentes, after the corrida there were ground level stalls in the building itself selling various preparations of various parts of the bulls killed that day. It was a little early for cena but late enough for a few snacks. There were butcher shops nearby where you could buy various cuts raw, at very high prices compared to normal beef.

I vaguely recollect that at one time, maybe still today, the animal belonged to the matador after he killed it.

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Morante

 

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the old Plaza Mexico off Insurgentes


The current Plaza is enormous, probably biggest in the world; you might need binoculars to see. Have you ever been there? We receive television of the Mexican corridas in the winter.
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