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El Cante
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Morante
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 El Cante
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There is no doubt that flamenco is changing, being a product of its society, but el cante is still alive.
Spain underwent great changes when Franco died. The apertura was immediate and extraordinary. The Movimiento in Madrid embraced modernity. Artists such as Raimundo Amador and Silverio discovered rock and blues. Alaska discovered punk: all old hat in Europe but new in Spain.
Camaron arived in Madrid and fell in with Ricardo Pachon (the Coronel Parker de flamenco). His first disco (Leyenda del Tiempo) abandoned flamenco.
Pachon directed his discos more towards comercial pop. But Camaron, being flamenco de verdad, toured extensively with Tomatito, always singing flamenco. Nuestro Camaron is the evidence. I saw them once in Dos Hermanos and it was flamenco puro.
However, it is clear that my point of view is different from the majority in this foro and probably not very relevant. I live in Andalucía, where there are many cantaores and where flamenco is cante. In Cádiz the cantaores are my neighbours and my friends. Many of them are young but committed to cante de verdad: Antonio Reyes, Rancapino Hijo, Caracolillo etc. And in Jerez many more. The policy of my Peña (de Juan Villar) is to have cante every Friday.
Obviously if you live in a place where the nearest cantaor is 100 miles away you will have a different perception, but in all the time I have lived here I have never seen a solo guitar recital.
El cante is alive and well in Andalucía, but i shall stop labouring the point.
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Date Dec. 11 2020 17:56:36
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RobF
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Joined: Aug. 24 2017
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RE: El Cante (in reply to Morante)
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I think that while the discussions here may be quite guitar-centric and there is an active Lutherie section which adds to the perception, it might be giving a skewed impression of the members’ interests and there may be a greater appreciation of canté than appears at first glance. Not everyone who follows the Foro is comfortable contributing*, I spent close to ten years lurking before I finally got off the pot and joined. Also, not all members speak Spanish and that might make people a little wary of initiating or contributing to discussions about canté, not because they don’t enjoy it, but because they don’t feel qualified to voice their opinions. Guitar is different, because there is no such language barrier.
My listening habits lean heavily towards canté. I personally have little interest in listening to solo guitar releases unless there is a good percentage of canté mixed in. As a matter of fact, I have difficulty sitting through a release if it’s purely instrumental, and even the ones I like tend to only get a few plays. But, at the end of the day, I like it all, including stuff that isn’t puro.
My limited experience in visiting Spain is that amongst the local Andalusian population canté reigns supreme, there’s no doubt about that.
*I still remember when I first joined the Foro and someone posted a video that I quite enjoyed. I said how much I liked it and they replied with something to the effect of, yeah, well, it sucked. Then other old hands joined to say how much it sucked. Apparently, the guitarist wasn’t up to snuff. You can imagine how comfortable I felt commenting on anything else for a good while after that, lol. Food for thought.
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Date Dec. 11 2020 18:43:01
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BarkellWH
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Joined: Jul. 12 2009
From: Washington, DC
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RE: El Cante (in reply to Morante)
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Actually, Sean, I think there are quite a few Foro members who enjoy cante and consider it the "heart" of flamenco. I know I do, although I enjoy listening to solo guitar as well.
In my case, I first encountered flamenco decades ago via Carlos Montoya and Sabicas, all guitar of course. For me, cante was an acquired taste, but after listening to albums many times over and attending a couple of concerts, I was hooked.
When I am on a road trip, say the six-hour trip from my home in Washington, DC to the Outer Banks of North Carolina, I always take with me a couple of CDs each of cante and solo guitar. I like to mix it up.
Bill
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Date Dec. 11 2020 20:43:46
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